Hacking Why is every major dev of the Switch scene pissed about Xecuter's work?

[Cha0tic]

Lmfao they seem like children.
Boowhoo someone else exploited the switch before me, get over it.

And before someone says they care about piracy, like these devs owns exploit couldn't possibly bring piracy either. And its not like its the main focus, just a bunch of kids throwing tantrums someone else did it first after the work they put in.

 

[Deleted User]

A year after the console release is far better than a year before the consoles EoL...

Not to mention you're implying some harm here.

Implying harm? Well I don't think this a bad thing at all,I'm just saying a stable kernel exploit on the latest firmware which always leads to piracy coming out so early could mainly be the reason other devs are pissed

 

[Kioku]

Lmfao they seem like children.
Boowhoo someone else exploited the switch before me, get over it.

And before someone says they care about piracy, like these devs owns exploit couldn't possibly bring piracy either. And its not like its the main focus, just a bunch of kids throwing tantrums someone else did it first after the work they put in.

I'm actually curious to know why TX was greeted so negatively by some people...

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Implying harm? Well I don't think this a bad thing at all,I'm just saying a stable kernel exploit on the latest firmware which always leads to piracy could mainly be the reason other devs are pissed.

Could be. Easily accessible piracy this early on really makes me wonder.

 

[weatMod]

I'm actually curious to know why TX was greeted so negatively by some people...

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Could be. Easily accessible piracy this early on really makes me wonder.

i don't know but if they are really that pissed then they have 4 months maybe 5 to get to work and best them on their release
and put out a free CFW that works on all FW's and enables back up loading
i mean if they are THAT pissed and THAT capable

 

[MaverickWellington]

Implying harm? Well I don't think this a bad thing at all,I'm just saying a stable kernel exploit on the latest firmware which always leads to piracy could mainly be the reason other devs are pissed.

I sure hope those devs raise hell over any CFW that exists ever because they all inevitably lead to piracy, otherwise it's hypocritical and pointless (I mean it's already pointless but now doubly so) to even care. Like hell this will more than likely make it easier to develop stuff anyways. I really dislike when people get their tits in a twist over homebrew leading to piracy. Does it suck? Of course. I like having it there to try out games but I don't deny that it definitely takes money from the developers who have worked hard to deserve it and could totally go without it. I think it does equal parts harm and good, but the real meat of the issue is that it paints any homebrew/modding scene as just piracy/cheating instead of demonstrating the capabilities of the console that may go far beyond what developers for games on it or even the devs of the console itself may do, like the demoscene is.

At this point people may as well just stop caring. Like I said, Piracy is inevitable. It sucks and it makes people look bad, but there ain't shit you can do outside of maybe explicitly coding to stop it, and that'll just make people ignore your stuff.

 

[ehnoah]

Well we all focus on piracy then so currently no more reason to follow pluto etc. Might make them mad because they hack for Fame nur xwcutoe get the fame now

 

[Cha0tic]

I'm actually curious to know why TX was greeted so negatively by some people...

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Could be. Easily accessible piracy this early on really makes me wonder.

It seems to be no real reason other then from what I can think of is they beat them to it, these guys have been working hard for a some what working exploit devoting a lot of time and this team comes out of no where and goes here we go we're finished.
Now the other teams hard work have gone down the drain because they view it as whats the point now with this new exploit and hack no one will bother with theirs so they just wasted a bunch of time.

 

[SG854]

I didn't say what you said was stupid and I am sorry if you took what I said in that manner, but that you should put more thought behind your post, my apologies again as I wasn't trying to come off as rude.

Also, Nintendo use to be really scummy back in the day, I think some devs even had choice words about the things they had to while working with Nintendo and they did try to put a stranglehold on the gaming market back in the day. They weren't losing anything they just wanted to boost sales and in the end they even lost the case with the only thing being changed was the fact that Blockbuster could no longer print manuals. That is also why you don't see anyone else going after things like Gamestop, Gamefly, or Redbox anymore.

It could be many things. Video Game rental services are dying out, so they could be seen as no longer a threat, and therefore no longer needed to pursue a lawsuit as often.

There was a court case Vernor v. Autodesk, and Vernor lost for selling autodesk stuff on Ebay. And because of this court case Video Game rentals can now be considered illegal under certain situations. When you buy something you are not actually buying a copy of the thing your buying. You're only buying the license to use it.

For the game Doom it says, "You agree not to: Distribute, lease, license, sell, rent… without the express prior written consent of the Licensor."
So unless you get permission from publishers then having a rental service can be illegal.

I always assumed that rental companies have to pay fees to the companies that make the game or something. Do they really just not have to pay any?

I don't know if they send a little bit of their earnings to devs. I have no idea how they work.
If they buy 10 copies of a game, then have at least 50 people renting those copies over the course of time, then there you go. Those are possible people not sending money to devs.

 

[MaverickWellington]

It seems to be no real reason other then from what I can think of is they beat them to it, these guys have been working hard for a some what working exploit devoting a lot of time and this team comes out of no where and goes here we go we're finished.
Now the other teams hard work have gone down the drain because they view it as whats the point now with this new exploit and hack no one will bother with theirs so they just wasted a bunch of time.

Their work isn't instantly deleted or worthless because of it. Mind you, the 3DS scene isn't just Luma contrary to what the Nintendo Hacking discord or 3ds.guide may make it seem like. There's reinand, and a bunch of other CFWs I don't remember. The choice is there. It's just that the best become the most prominent. It can go either way -- TX is gonna either become the Switch version of Luma, or it's going to be outclassed by someone's superior development.

 

[Cha0tic]

Their work isn't instantly deleted or worthless because of it. Mind you, the 3DS scene isn't just Luma contrary to what the Nintendo Hacking discord or 3ds.guide may make it seem like. There's reinand, and a bunch of other CFWs I don't remember. The choice is there. It's just that the best become the most prominent. It can go either way -- TX is gonna either become the Switch version of Luma, or it's going to be outclassed by someone's superior development.

Of course I know that, Im just speaking of how they may feel or view it.

 

[DayVeeBoi]

i think they are upset because they feel like they have used up all the info they released? Which i think they just might have. They feel like their work has been stolen for bad purpose.

What was made public in the 34C3 Switch talk is nowhere near enough for TX to put together a modchip or whatever. I would say that what was in the talk would be akin to telling someone the address to a house but not giving directions. Not exactly, but I mean close enough. Anything they may have learned from it (if anything at all) would take tons of research and work to get to the endpoint.

probably because piracy, and because they are going to sell it

If they're so worried about people buying modchips than it would likely be prudent for them to not be so concerned about what people do with their own devices. If pirates didn't have to buy a modchip to enable piracy they almost certainly wouldn't and their would be no reason to be pissed at TX (if that indeed is the issue).

Why does anybody (included hackers) think that, they can own anything (even knowledge) for themselves?

I don't know about all the bible thumping this guys got going on, but I agree with his points when they're coherent enough to be understood. All knowledge should be free. Anyone that has the drive and will to learn should be enabled to do so and I believe this is a fundamental human right.

People get into the dev scene to get their ego stroked. That's pretty much the only reason why people even take their time to get these exploits. Only goal is to get attention that so many desperately crave.

I'm sure that egotism is a motivation for some, maybe even the prime motivator for a few. Building an amazing portfolio/CV is likely to be a major motivator for a lot of security researchers/developers/RE's. High paying jobs come out of this because the dedication and skills required to crack these platforms are in high demand by government and private sector. I think that the specific people were talking about right now, their prime motivation is their quest for learning and the challenge.

It wasn't really in the Atari 2600 days. A handful of people had eprom burners, but eproms were pretty expensive. It's only recently that I've even seen evidence of piracy back then.

This may be true in the west and other places where consumer electronics are easily accessible and reasonably priced, but a lot of people forget or don't even know about the places where the situation is not so great. Brazil has a really shitty situation for gamers for a long time and piracy even in the Atari days was fairly prevalent (apparently, I'm not speaking from experience but the details are out there if your interested). I would recommend checking out the Mini-Doc from Cloth-Map "The Video Game Grey Market in Brazil" .

 

[Eastonator12]

I mean, that's probably because of "mu piracy", but the team itself never talked about that, they only talked about CFW.
https://twitter.com/qlutoo/status/948297208922824710
https://twitter.com/naehrwert/status/948290055747096577
implying piracy because of modding is something new

well think about it this way. Those devs are mad because they aren't gonna be making money while Team Xecuter will be.

 

[SirByte]

I feel a bit for the devs, they thought they'd turn the Switch into a usermode-only homebrew machine and suddenly boom: the spectre of piracy roars its ugly head (in their opinion) soiling the pristine white-sand beaches that they envisioned. To me, the biggest homebrew projects are the various emulators (ROMz) and ports of games like Doom and SCUMM for which files are needed that aren't necessarily always obtained from authorized sources. Of course there are the "real" homebrew games too, some of which are a lot of fun to play. Let's call this environment the resort. It has a nice, big, high fence around it, going several hundreds of meters into the ocean.

They'd just have to think that the piracy happens outside of the resort. So when TX releases the "NXecutor" or whatever name they give it, it shouldn't affect the devs too much. Same with cars. Developers try to make sporty cars with plenty of safety measures, and someone releases a "tuning chip" and suddenly it's a deadly race monster. Should they lose any sleep over it? Of course not.

I for one am pretty excited and am looking forward to see what TX has found and how it works (and am looking forward to Spring too and Winter hasn't really started yet).

 

[Soluble]

What the Devs are and were doing would have lead to piracy... What TX is doing will lead to homebrew. Ones a software solution, one is most probably a hardware solution. If nothing else TX will lead us to a free solution. If piracy already exists, why hold back?

 

[MaverickWellington]

I feel a bit for the devs, they thought they'd turn the Switch into a usermode-only homebrew machine and suddenly boom: the spectre of piracy roars its ugly head (in their opinion) soiling the pristine white-sand beaches that they envisioned. To me, the biggest homebrew projects are the various emulators (ROMz) and ports of games like Doom and SCUMM for which files are needed that aren't necessarily always obtained from authorized sources. Of course there are the "real" homebrew games too, some of which are a lot of fun to play. Let's call this environment the resort. It has a nice, big, high fence around it, going several hundreds of meters into the ocean.

They'd just have to think that the piracy happens outside of the resort. So when TX releases the "NXecutor" or whatever name they give it, it shouldn't affect the devs too much. Same with cars. Developers try to make sporty cars with plenty of safety measures, and someone releases a "tuning chip" and suddenly it's a deadly race monster. Should they lose any sleep over it? Of course not.

I for one am pretty excited and am looking forward to see what TX has found and how it works (and am looking forward to Spring too and Winter hasn't really started yet).

You raise a valid point, I think it's unfair that everyone gets pissy over piracy yet no one really seems to care about emulators in the day and age where at least 75% minimum of people don't own the games they're downloading or are at least downloading a game (or games) they do not own. Going back to what I've said before it's just inevitable and there's shit you can do about it to stop it from happening all together.

 

[Futurdreamz]

You raise a valid point, I think it's unfair that everyone gets pissy over piracy yet no one really seems to care about emulators in the day and age where at least 75% minimum of people don't own the games they're downloading or are at least downloading a game (or games) they do not own. Going back to what I've said before it's just inevitable and there's shit you can do about it to stop it from happening all together.

The golden rule is if it's out of print it's fair game. The Switch is slated to be the most successful console, but if everyone hacks their consoles to play new releases for free developers will drop it like a hot turd.

 

[weatMod]

if it turns out like i suspect ,that 2.3.0 / 2.x.x consoles will have a soft kernel exploit
as hinted by TX
and if it was indeed what they were going for at 34c3 was to trick people into updating to 3.0 where they would be trapped in userland
then it really is poetic justice don't you think, because then all they would have really done by trying to prevent muh "piracy" by tricking people to "get on 3.0 and stay on 3.0" would be to drive them right into the TX store front
if it all pans out this way then they just helped team X get even more sales
since the way it looks now is that "piracy" on 2.3.0 and beloew will be free and "piracy" on 3.0.0 + will require a TX purchase
LOL

i can see why they are pissed , they tried to stop free muh "piracy" with moralfaggotry and it totallty backfired and now the only option people will have (at least at 1st) will be for paid "piracy" through TX

hmm where have i seen this happen before?
it is like people never learn

 

[Soluble]

if it turns out like i suspect ,that 2.3.0 / 2.x.x consoles will have a soft kernel exploit
as hinted by TX
and if it is indeed what they were going for at 34c3 was to trick people into updating to 3.0 where they would be trapped in userland
then it really is poetic justice don't you think because then all they would have really done by trying to prevent muh "piracy" by tricking people to "get on 3.0 and stay on 3.0" would be to drive them right into the TX store front
if it all apns out this way then they just helped team X get even more sales
since the way it looks now is that "piracy" on 2.3.0 and beloew will be free and "piracy" on 3.0.0 + will require a TX purchase
LOL

i can see why they are pissed , they tried to stop free muh "piracy" with moralfaggotry and it totallty backfired and now the only option people will have (at least at 1st) will be for paid "piracy" through TX

hmm where have i seen this happen before?
it is like people never learn

From their teaser video and post you got that a soft kernel exploit on 2.3 and below is what they have? You have the best read between the lines skills I've ever seen.

 

[Selim873]

I personally don't care as long as it lets me use homebrew on the latest FW. I don't care for piracy, but I wanted to keep my Switch clean and now I'm getting second thoughts stuck on 4.1.0. Guess I'll just keep it on this FW just in case. I remember when the 3DS was on the "This will never be possible on this FW" phase, and I ended up having my N3DS XL completely B9S'd when I felt there was no hope. I've never felt forced to keep my FW down before though. My biggest fear is wanting to play something like Splatoon but can't, or buying a game I can't play because it requires and update. Especially since I prefer digital.

 

[MaverickWellington]

The golden rule is if it's out of print it's fair game. The Switch is slated to be the most successful console, but if everyone hacks their consoles to play new releases for free developers will drop it like a hot turd.

People have said this about the Vita which was doing pretty well in Japan, and it's *still* doing well in Japan. I highly doubt it will be that bad.