How do you feel about abortion?

[TotalInsanity4]

They shouldn't because they aren't ready for pregnancy, if a woman is not ready for pregnancy they shouldn't have sex willingly, without condoms of course.

Well yeah, obviously not without at least two forms of birth control ideally, but that's not what you said

 

[FAST6191]

3)Because God made life, and it's sin for us to take it, "Thou shalt not kill".

The translation I always saw of that was murdering ain't cool. If the state has legalised it then it is not murder.

That said you have repeatedly said morally wrong so I will assume you will go with "if you don't like them then don't get one yourself" and can leave it at that.

 

[Whole lotta love]

abortion is bad. outlawing abortion is worse.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

abortion is bad. outlawing abortion is worse.

Agreed with the second bit. For all the anti-abortion folks, I'd like to point you in the direction of Finland, where not only is abortion legal, but also totally free (socialized healthcare 'n all that). In spite of that (or even, many would say BECAUSE of that), abortion rates are incredibly low compared to the population, due to the fact that sex ed is actually competent and pregnancy centers also hand out contraceptives free of charge

All outlawing abortion would do is increase people who are desperate and seeking illegal operations that in some cases might even be life-saving

 

[The Catboy]

I find this hard to believe. It is really just murder, and if people can't see that, they have been desensitized by societal norms. Abortion should only be allowed if it endangers the life of the mother. Any other case? If the mom does not want the kid, they put them up for adoption; you did the crime, you do the pain. God has a plan for every one of us, including those not born yet, and its wrong when we try and play God, as proven by Jontron.

Abortion isn't murder and a fetus isn't a person. This argument was created when "scientist" told the Catholic church that extremely early stages of fetuses (when abortions are already legal now) looked like little people and the Church flipped their stance on abortions.
We could take God out of the argument as not everyone believes in God and or believes in the same God. Honestly the whole "God has a plan" argument only applies to a select few people and honestly is a weak argument used by those actually can't think of anything better to say. You don't know the reason why someone is getting an abortion and thus by your own argument you need to police every women getting abortion. Before that the church was actually pro-abortion and didn't believe fetuses were people.
Also the "put them up for adoption" argument is just shortsighted. There's literally millions of kids up for adoption right now and no adopting them. There's also just as many kids born into homes that don't want them and or lack the resources to take care of them. Our world is literally overrun with kids that people simply don't want or can't take care of, yet people think putting them up for adoption is still the merciful answer. You aren't really looking at the bigger picture here, you are only looking at some small pixel of what's presented to you and making an idea from that.

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

No, why do you feel a fertilized egg is a person? This thinking is not biblical and it's not scientific. So why believe it?

Well, when a egg is fertilized it is sent down to the mothers womb and hatches into a cell and that cell becomes the embryo if I'm not mistaken, so as long that egg is fertilized and sent to the mothers womb and is growing, having a abortion kills that child and that's not right.

 

[DeslotlCL]

Well, when a egg is fertilized it is sent down to the mothers womb and hatches into a cell and that cell becomes the embryo if I'm not mistaken, so as long that egg is fertilized and sent to the mothers womb and is growing, having a abortion kills that child and that's not right.

but that thing you described is still not a child, smh...

 

[Ricken]

If the fetus has barely developed, then I see no harm in abortion...
But if it's like 8 months in that's kinda a jerk move

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

but that thing you described is still not a child, smh...

I believe as soon as the egg is fertilized and sent to the mother's womb it's a child plain and simple.

 

[DeslotlCL]

I believe as soon as the egg is fertilized and sent to the mother's womb it's a child plain and simple.

It is not, and no matter if you believe it or not, it is just a plain simple fact.

 

[Navonod]

Well, when a egg is fertilized it is sent down to the mothers womb and hatches into a cell and that cell becomes the embryo if I'm not mistaken, so as long that egg is fertilized and sent to the mothers womb and is growing, having a abortion kills that child and that's not right.

I'd rather abort the child than to have it possibly live in poverty or going into abusive homes which happens more often than not. You do know that foster homes are over crowded to right? Because you're the same people who wont let gay people adopt. If you really cared about the children then you should be more worried about the ones already alive and suffering.

 

[pustal]

Well, when a egg is fertilized it is sent down to the mothers womb and hatches into a cell and that cell becomes the embryo if I'm not mistaken, so as long that egg is fertilized and sent to the mothers womb and is growing, having a abortion kills that child and that's not right.

Abortion can only be done in the first 12 weeks, coincidentaly, the brain is only formed at the 12th week. Before that there's a nervous sistem in place, but here is absolutelly no way to be a sentient being in there, even though I'd argue you could call it that until much after. If it is not sentient, by definition it's not a person and it cannot be murdered the same way you do not murder plants when you sieze their life activities. Any belief against it is religious or misinformed driven, I'm sorry.

I'd say abortion is much perferable than bring a child to a mother that does not want or cannot raise a child. And as much as adoption sounds like an alternative, bear in mind that the woman will have to endure all the suffering of biological motherhood for a child she will not raise, and the separation of a living, breathing child from a mother leaves far more trauma than a yet-to-live one.

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

I'd rather abort the child than to have it possibly live in poverty or going into abusive homes which happens more often than not. You do know that foster homes are over crowded to right? Because you're the same people who wont let gay people adopt. If you really cared about the children then you should be more worried about the ones already alive and suffering.

Bud those homes were going to be filled either way, if not by that child then by another, but by finding abusive homes we can do something about them, people ALWAYS complain that the child will "go to a abusive home" why is that? Where is the people who won't let that happen? And I do care about the people who're still alive today but the babies are the ones not getting a chance to live.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

If the fetus has barely developed, then I see no harm in abortion...
But if it's like 8 months in that's kinda a jerk move

As far as I'm aware there's not a single clinic on Earth that would do an abortion that late into the pregnancy

Also, fun fact, I'm over in Europe right now and just found out that Iowa's sitting governer just signed a "Heartbeat Bill" into place, which both means that if a heartbeat is detected you can't abort the pregnancy and also implies that sentience can be effectively measured by whether or not something has a pulse (which it can't)

Like good lord, can't you guys at least wait for me to get back before fucking up legislature? At least I'll be back by November, when governer Reynolds is up for re- (although really her first) election

Bud those homes were going to be filled either way, if not by that child then by another, but by finding abusive homes we can do something about them, people ALWAYS complain that the child will "go to a abusive home" why is that? Where is the people who won't let that happen? And I do care about the people who're still alive today but the babies are the ones not getting a chance to live.

They're not babies, and while they TECHNICALLY aren't getting the chance to live, they haven't lived yet anyway. Fetuses prior to ~14-22 weeks aren't even capable of thinking, let alone making a decision of whether they would want to continue developing and eventually be born vs ceasing to exist before conciousness, so that decision then falls to the host in which they reside who is equally impacted by the pregnancy

 

[Fates-Blade-900]

Abortion can only be done in the first 12 weeks, coincidentaly, the brain is only formed at the 12th week. Before that there's a nervous sistem in place, but here is absolutelly no way to be a sentient being in there, even though I'd argue you could call it that until much after. If it is not sentient, by definition it's not a person and it cannot be murdered the same way you do not murder plants when you sieze their life activities. Any belief against it is religious or misinformed driven, I'm sorry.

I'd say abortion is much perferable than bring a child to a mother that does not want or cannot raise a child. And as much as adoption sounds like an alternative, bear in mind that the woman will have to endure all the suffering of biological motherhood for a child she will not raise, and the separation of a living, breathing child from a mother leaves far more trauma than a yet-to-live one.

A mother has a guide book for how to be a mother, and I know that it isn't a easy thing being a single mother but it is her responsibility, the only time adoption should be a option is if the mother is REALLY too young to take care of the child, maybe that should be a teaching tool for other young girls, not to get pregnant in their early lives which can be prevented by not having sex willingly, plain and simple, even with safety precautions to not get pregnant if they do, they need to take care of that baby, it's not the babies fault she had sex, it's hers she needs to deal with it and take accountability, but accountable to who? To GOD, if there is no God it would be fine for a woman to have a abortion, but He says "thou shalt not kill", and you end a life when you have a abortion, so if you say I believe in the bible I would say yeah, but I would also say who doesn't because any type of morality in this world is from God.

 

[Jack Daniels]

As far as I'm aware there's not a single clinic on Earth that would do an abortion that late into the pregnancy

Also, fun fact, I'm over in Europe right now and just found out that Iowa's sitting governer just signed a "Heartbeat Bill" into place, which both means that if a heartbeat is detected you can't abort the pregnancy and also implies that sentience can be effectively measured by whether or not something has a pulse (which it can't)

Like good lord, can't you guys at least wait for me to get back before fucking up legislature? At least I'll be back by November, when governer Reynolds is up for re- (although really her first) election


They're not babies, and while they TECHNICALLY aren't getting the chance to live, they haven't lived yet anyway. Fetuses prior to ~14-22 weeks aren't even capable of thinking, let alone making a decision of whether they would want to continue developing and eventually be born vs ceasing to exist before conciousness, so that decision then falls to the host in which they reside who is equally impacted by the pregnancy

forgot to mention one really good reason to do abortion, my collega's wife died almost when giving birth to her latest boy and although she servived it (she's unconscious for about a week)
she now knows that if she'll get pregnant again it will about 100% certain cause her to die.
so what's it worth so much to have a baby if there's not gonna be mother?

 

[onibaku]

Personally, Im a dude and would never ask my partner to abort unless she chose to do it but even then I would suggest against the abortion. I should've taken the appropriate measures to prevent the pregnancy in the first place. As for child support, I would feel obliged to support my child, regardless of the law on the matter or my relationship with the mother. It is a human that is a partly me.

For me, my life has had its ups and downs but overall I'm much happier to have lived than to not have lived at all and I'm sure my potential child would feel the same way..

 

[Xzi]

A mother has a guide book for how to be a mother, and I know that it isn't a easy thing being a single mother but it is her responsibility, the only time adoption should be a option is if the mother is REALLY too young to take care of the child, maybe that should be a teaching tool for other young girls, not to get pregnant in their early lives which can be prevented by not having sex willingly, plain and simple, even with safety precautions to not get pregnant if they do, they need to take care of that baby, it's not the babies fault she had sex, it's hers she needs to deal with it and take accountability, but accountable to who? To GOD, if there is no God it would be fine for a woman to have a abortion, but He says "thou shalt not kill" so.

Well, as long as he didn't say "thou shalt not abort" it looks like we're in the clear. The problem I find with your reasoning is that god doesn't have to make choices that will affect him for a lifetime, only people do. These decisions shouldn't be taken lightly, but the fact is that some people are not in a stable enough place, either financially or emotionally, to have children. Force that decision on them anyway, and watch three lives get ruined. That cycle has caused a lot of poverty and mental health issues in America. Eventually we'll also have overcrowding and scarcity in our resources.

 

[osm70]

A mother has a guide book for how to be a mother, and I know that it isn't a easy thing being a single mother but it is her responsibility, the only time adoption should be a option is if the mother is REALLY too young to take care of the child, maybe that should be a teaching tool for other young girls, not to get pregnant in their early lives which can be prevented by not having sex willingly, plain and simple, even with safety precautions to not get pregnant if they do, they need to take care of that baby, it's not the babies fault she had sex, it's hers she needs to deal with it and take accountability, but accountable to who? To GOD, if there is no God it would be fine for a woman to have a abortion, but He says "thou shalt not kill", and you end a life when you have a abortion, so if you say I believe in the bible I would say yeah, but I would also say who doesn't because any type of morality in this world is from God.

Two things:

1 - You don't end a life when you abort. You prevent one from starting.

2 - Morality comes from God? In that case, explain this: How come different people have different opinions on what is right or wrong? If God decided morality, shouldn't everyone agree on the same moral code?

 

[Jack Daniels]

Well, as long as he didn't say "thou shalt not abort" it looks like we're in the clear. The problem I find with your reasoning is that god doesn't have to make choices that will affect him for a lifetime, only people do. These decisions shouldn't be taken lightly, but the fact is that some people are not in a stable enough place, either financially or emotionally, to have children. Force that decision on them anyway, and watch three lives get ruined. That cycle has caused a lot of poverty and mental health issues in America.

make that world wide will you...

A mother has a guide book for how to be a mother, and I know that it isn't a easy thing being a single mother but it is her responsibility, the only time adoption should be a option is if the mother is REALLY too young to take care of the child, maybe that should be a teaching tool for other young girls, not to get pregnant in their early lives which can be prevented by not having sex willingly, plain and simple, even with safety precautions to not get pregnant if they do, they need to take care of that baby, it's not the babies fault she had sex, it's hers she needs to deal with it and take accountability, but accountable to who? To GOD, if there is no God it would be fine for a woman to have a abortion, but He says "thou shalt not kill", and you end a life when you have a abortion, so if you say I believe in the bible I would say yeah, but I would also say who doesn't because any type of morality in this world is from God.

not every girl or women for the matter has a guide into being a mom, here close to me in one month 2 mothers killed thier baby while in perfect health because they didn't understand it's basic needs.