Why do people get so triggered about introducing LGBT characters into movies?

[TotalInsanity4]

You can be upset all you want but confronting them is what they want. You can easily ignore them. It only got violent when other people showed up and started exchanging words.

So your grand solution is... What, exactly? Allow them to keep gaining traction by leaving rallies unopposed until they have enough manpower to actually do what they want like they were in the 60s?

 

[SG854]

This is By far the most stupid and ignorant thing I have ever read about how gender works.

There are a lot of animals who have both male and female parts, there are male seahorses who carry the littles.
Many species are gay yet not extinct .

Gender has a part nature and a part nurture, boys will be the boys we teach them to be. Same with girls.
Men are not smarter and females are not better in cleaning that is nurture and teached by others. Nature is the fact that woman can breastfeed, carry a child have their periods, and hormones.

We are really not born that different brain wise. You are just taught to see everybody that way.


Girls like cars, gaming, computers and boys like pink, dolls, and dress up if you would only let them.

We are very different brain wise and you just described why. Women mainly give birth, breast feed, and raise children, so they need biological differences in their brain and some psychological orchestration to help them to achieve these tasks. Sex differences in some areas are really large. So its hard to believe a very small simple change in the tone of voice, or how long you make eye contact will have huge effect on interests, activities and preferences of a kid.

This is clearly visible in countries with the most equality between sexes and where people are free to pursue what they want. If not raising kids at home, they mainly get into careers that is similar to raising kids like nursing, medicine, social work and teaching, which are areas that have human interaction. Any women thats is in STEM is rare and less typical, they are the exception. Countries that have lots of women in STEM usually have less gender equality. And women from those places enter in STEM not because of interests, but because they are forced into it to earn money. If there is no differences between men and women, then whats all this fuss with all these genders? Male and Female are the same right and are interchangeable.

 

[FAST6191]

So your grand solution is... What, exactly? Allow them to keep gaining traction by leaving rallies unopposed until they have enough manpower to actually do what they want like they were in the 60s?

"I may not like what you have to say but I will defend your right to say it"
If this is a consequence of that, then it is one we have to bear or at least address when there is an actual issue. Assuming that is that though; I mostly see a fringe movement I can for the most part ignore for myself and encourage all but a select few (almost certainly nobody that ever participated in a black block or thought it a good idea). Being worried about the KKK or Nazis is probably less useful than being worried about being hit by a meteor.
Otherwise the world is big enough and ugly enough to take a few words.

 

[Bitchplease]

The reason they choose for those jobs has much to do with genderroles and sexism not with brains. It’s about being told some jobs or careers are to hard or not for girls and some are really not that accepting towards female.

There is a long way to go.

I did say there is a difference but not in the way boys will be boys and girls will be girls. That has a lot to do with nurture. A feminist open minded single mother will raise a very different child than a very strict Christian household.

Those boys will not be the same children. That’s nurture. Yes biology makes a difference but woman are not better in housekeeping we are brought up in a way we know more about it. Again nurture. We are not housewives by nature as men are not smarter. People are still not free to pursue what they want!! This again depends on your upbringing and the changes your early life gives you.

 

[MikaDubbz]

I really don't give a shit what the character's sexual orientation is, so long as the character is well written and interesting, they can be anything. Having said that, what DOES annoy me is when an established character suddenly out of nowhere receives a sexual orientation that was never implied before all for the sake of trying to make the cast more diverse. What immediately comes to mind is making Lando a pansexual in Solo, when that was never even hinted at in the OG Star Wars trilogy. If they wanted a pansexual in the film, why not create a new character that is that, instead of retconning what we already believed to be the case.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

I really don't give a shit what the character's sexual orientation is, so long as the character is well written and interesting, they can be anything. Having said that, what DOES annoy me is when an established character suddenly out of nowhere receives a sexual orientation that was never implied before all for the sake of trying to make the cast more diverse. What immediately comes to mind is making Lando a pansexual in Solo, when that was never even hinted at in the OG Star Wars trilogy. If they wanted a pansexual in the film, why not create a new character that is that, instead of retconning what we already believed to be the case.

I agree with most of what you said, but what's the issue with Lando being pan? He never really had an implied sexuality in the original trilogy, other than "frequently"

 

[smf]

Yes biology makes a difference but woman are not better in housekeeping

Women statistically tend to be more motivated to keeping a clean house.

Women are less motivated to go out and work and provide for a man to stay at home.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Women statistically tend to be more motivated to keeping a clean house.

Women are less motivated to go out and work and provide for a man to stay at home.

And do you think that's because of a biological drive, or due to how we raise girls?

 

[Navonod]

So your grand solution is... What, exactly? Allow them to keep gaining traction by leaving rallies unopposed until they have enough manpower to actually do what they want like they were in the 60s?

They can do what ever they want now. As they did at that last rally when a van pulled up with a group of klansmen then they started stabbing people AFTER protesters gave them the attention they wanted.
If they would have left them alone nothing would have happened. Just like bikers. Don't mess with them at their rallies and nothing bad happens. Obviously you can defend yourself if they attack you.

Edit: I mean come on. They are like little kids playing call of duty screaming racial slurs on xboxlive. If you let that get to you then I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[MikaDubbz]

I agree with most of what you said, but what's the issue with Lando being pan? He never really had an implied sexuality in the original trilogy, other than "frequently"

Well that's the point, he's been an established character for decades with not a single hint of him being a pansexual, and now suddenly he is. Why not just give that trait to a brand new character instead of needlessly shoehorning the attribute into the established and beloved character, upsetting fans of the character and what they believed him to be.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Well that's the point, he's been an established character for decades with not a single hint of him being a pansexual, and now suddenly he is. Why not just give that trait to a brand new character instead of needlessly shoehorning the attribute into the established and beloved character, upsetting fans of the character and what they believed him to be.

I don't see why it should be upsetting, though. And I don't see exactly how it's "shoehorned in"; I feel like it fits his character, and it doesn't conflict with anything we know about him up to this point

 

[MikaDubbz]

I don't see why it should be upsetting, though. And I don't see exactly how it's "shoehorned in"; I feel like it fits his character, and it doesn't conflict with anything we know about him up to this point

Well imagine your favorite character that's been established for decades, say Batman. And Batman was always portrayed as good with the ladies, but only good with the ladies. And suddenly after 40 years of loving that character and believing you understand that character, its been revealed that in all the panels they didn't illustrate, he was fucking any and everything, including possibly robots. You can't tell me that you don't understand how that would upset fans of that character. I'm not even much of a fan of Lando, but I don't approve of retcons in general, especially for a character that's been established for decades.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Well imagine your favorite character that's been established for decades, say Batman. And Batman was always portrayed as good with the ladies, but only good with the ladies. And suddenly after 40 years of loving that character and believing you understand that character, its been revealed that in all the panels they didn't illustrate, he was fucking any and everything, including possibly robots. You can't tell me that you don't understand how that would upset fans of that character. I'm not even much of a fan of Lando, but I don't approve of retcons in general, especially for a character that's been established for decades.

I guess I don't necessarily see what the problem would be there, either. Maybe that's just a difference in thought process

 

[MaverickWellington]

There is nothing wrong by including LBGT characters into movies and series. As there never was with blacks or asians.

The problem starts, when the character is forced into the show, just for the sake of diversity. Just like with older movies, where the cast is white, but there is one black character (mostly killed of first in horrors), so the critics shut up.

One example: there is nothing wrong if somebody includes a gay character in a movie. Show his sexuality. But if every time he has screen time he has to flount it to the viewers, unnaturally, like he is "special" for his sexuality, not for his abilities or talents, it's unnatural.

There is difference between natural diversity and forced diversity.

This is pretty much all you need for this thread. There are great examples of gay characters in media. Characters like Arcade Ganon are excellent examples of homosexual characters in media because their defining trait is not their homosexuality, which should be the fucking standard for diverse characters. The original point to diversity was looking at all the generic, buff n bald straight white males that were so prevalent in media, video games especially, and saying "ok, this shit's really boring, why not mix it up," but people have taken this to mean "ok, we should have a black/latino/obese/gay/trans/jewish/whatever character because at least it isn't white!"

When everyone is painfully generic, it doesn't matter how diverse they are. They, ironically enough, become less diverse. It's one of those situations where everyone is "unique" but so two dimensional that they may as well just be straight white buff n balds.

 

[MikaDubbz]

I guess I don't necessarily see what the problem would be there, either. Maybe that's just a difference in thought process

The problem is that it's just a massive retcon done in an attempt to gain more modern viewers. Its a lie, Batman was never a pansexual, but oh wait, he was, you just didn't know, and he fucked the shit out of his batmobile all the time you just didn't know it. It'd be such a pointless horribly shoehorned in change to the character, that I really struggle to understand how you can't see how that would upset fans of the character. Sure not every fan would be upset, but it would absolutley upset a lot of them, and it would serve no great purpose either, it'd just be a stupid change to make. Again, just make new characters have such attributes if they want that kind of character in there.

 

[MaverickWellington]

The ones that I don't like are "we say our character is LGBT because we're inclusive but never actually write or show anything that confirms that so as to not make anyone who hates gays mad"

I'm looking at you, J K Rowling

Yeah fuck Rowling. When she tweets things like "actually a jewish person went to hogwarts" it's literally just for brownie points.

 

[MikaDubbz]

Yeah fuck Rowling. When she tweets things like "actually a jewish person went to hogwarts" it's literally just for brownie points.

Agreed, her revealing after all the books were done that, "Oh, Dumbledore was gay the whole time." Was so stupid. Like what purpose does that serve? Your books and movies are over, you told us everything about that character we needed to know for the story you were telling us. And this actually goes both ways in my mind. Dumbledore's sexuality was never revealed in the books, as it had nothing to do with the story in question; her revealing that he was gay after the series is just as pointless to me as if she revealed he was straight the whole time instead.

Though, now it may start to serve a purpose that he was gay with these Fantastic Beasts movies, but even still, that was clearly never the plan when she did reveal that Dumbledore was gay long before Fantastic Beasts was gonna be a series of movies. Even still, I'm doubtful it will serve any purpose in the movies anyway.

 

[MaverickWellington]

Agreed, her revealing after all the books were done that, "Oh, Dumbledore was gay the whole time." Was so stupid. Like what purpose does that serve? Your books and movies are over, you told us everything about that character we needed to know for the story you were telling us.

Though, now it may start to serve a purpose with these Fantastic Beasts movies, but even still, that was clearly never the plan when she did reveal that Dumbledore was gay long before Fantastic Beasts was gonna be a series of movies. Even still, I'm doubtful it will serve any purpose in the movies anyway.

If it's a one off comment with a character who never really had an established sexuality I think it's harmless. Stupid, like, really stupid, but also harmless. She needs to fuck off with it either way though. If she wants a gay character, she should write one, instead of trying to retroactively make everything gay/jewish/whatever

 

[MikaDubbz]

If it's a one off comment with a character who never really had an established sexuality I think it's harmless. Stupid, like, really stupid, but also harmless. She needs to fuck off with it either way though. If she wants a gay character, she should write one, instead of trying to retroactively make everything gay/jewish/whatever

Oh I agree, don't get me wrong, it doesn't upset me that she revealed his sexuality. It bothers me that she said so after everything was said and done as if it matters or makes some sort of difference at that point when it never had any importance in the books whatsoever.

 

[Coto]

but people have taken this to mean "ok, we should have a black/latino/obese/gay/trans/jewish/whatever character because at least it isn't white!"

Speak for yourself, I haven't seen any USA guys (around GBATemp at least), saying "we should have a black/latino/obese/gay/trans/jewish/whatever character because at least it isn't white!". Sure, I know USA and Mexican people don't really get along, but why using that as an excuse for providing such hateful example?

lol