Do you reckon guns should be banned in the U.S.? (Please vote)

[Esdeath]

I would go with something similar what Lacius posted, for a complete ban it seems far too late, so at least there should be more restrictions/steps when it comes to purchasing one.

 

[Lacius]

Fine, "If you don't want to enact more gun control that's debatablely breaking the 2nd amendment, you love murdering children!" shtick.

You're the one who got more offended by increased gun regulation than elementary school shootings. So, if the shoe fits.

When there's a will, there's a way. The kid probably would have bought an illegal gun and did what he did.

Then why do we regulate cars, or have any other laws and regulations for that matter?

 

[KennyAtom]

You're the one who got more offended by increased gun regulation than elementary school shootings. So, if the shoe fits.

Yes, if i don't like my rights being trampled on and possibly leading to more rights being taken away, i love killing children. I love tracking every child down, and killing them, all because I hate rights being taken away. Yes, that is very true.

Then why do we regulate cars, or have any other laws and regulations for that matter?

Because then we can sentence them if they're caught doing it.

It's easy to buy a gun or drugs (which, by the way, how did those regulations do? not so well? also how did prohibition in the US go? also really badly?) on the black market, it's not as easy to buy a car or a driver's license that'd be accepted by a cop on the black market. Sure, you can probably buy a DL for a bar or liquor store, but you can't use it for driving.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

No. I don't think guns should be banned.

Actually, since we're guaranteed the to bear arms in the US Constitution I think that every able bodied adult should get at least one gun for free.

You know, since we're discussing actual rights and all (rights that aren't made up bullshit coming from Liberals).

 

[Lacius]

Yes, if i don't like my rights being trampled on and possibly leading to more rights being taken away, i love killing children. I love tracking every child down, and killing them, all because I hate rights being taken away. Yes, that is very true.

You say that sarcastically, but when it's a choice between regulations on guns and child murder, and you choose the child murder, then what you're saying isn't very sarcastic.

Because then we can sentence them if they're caught doing it.

It's easy to buy a gun or drugs (which, by the way, how did those regulations do? not so well? also how did prohibition in the US go? also really badly?) on the black market, it's not as easy to buy a car or a driver's license that'd be accepted by a cop on the black market. Sure, you can probably buy a DL for a bar or liquor store, but you can't use it for driving.

Increased gun restrictions are generally associated with fewer gun related deaths. Doing some research is probably the least you can do before condemning more children to death.

No. I don't think guns should be banned.

Actually, since we're guaranteed the to bear arms in the US Constitution I think that every able bodied adult should get at least one gun for free.

You know, since we're discussing actual rights and all (rights that aren't made up bullshit coming from Liberals).

The second amendment literally describes "well-regulated militias," lol.

Last I checked, regulation was a part of being well-regulated.

 

[KennyAtom]

You say that sarcastically, but when it's a choice between regulations on guns and child murder, and you choose the child murder, then what you're saying isn't very sarcastic.

Wait, wait, wait. Hold the fuck up.

Are you sure you're not trolling with this? Are you really sure?

Saying that I genuinely support child murder despite the fact that I support background checks and gun licenses? Calm down.

Increased gun restrictions are generally associated with fewer gun related deaths. Doing some research is probably the least you can do before condemning more children to death.

Exactly why background checks and gun licenses are supported by me. They are technically gun restrictions, since certain people cannot get it with increased checks and licenses.

 

[Axido]

Saying that I genuinely support child murder despite the fact that I support background checks and gun licenses? Calm down.

Your phrasing was a bit confusing when you said "background checks and licenses needing to be removed seems like enough". It probably came off as if you wanted background checks to be removed. However, this can only be interpreted this way if your other comments were not taken into account. So, it's probably a bit of a misunderstanding here.

 

[NyaakoXD]

When there's a will, there's a way. The kid probably would have bought an illegal gun and did what he did.

I like how people always pull this card of "If they break the law anyway, they can illegally get a gun". Yeah, sure, like every idiot out there knows how to get one illegally without getting caught by a federal agent. Have you ever noticed the frequency of how easily these murderers get the guns here in the US? Like the Uvalde shooting for example was when the shooter literally just turned 18yo and walked into a store to buy the guns and bullets needed to do the deed without any effort. And that's because in Texas, a certain idiot governor decided to make it so that 18yo is the only requirement needed to buy a gun. There's literally red flags showing all over the place how fucked up it is.

Other major developed countries don't even have this sort of problem. These murderers can always "buy a gun illegally" so easily, right? And yet, if we take a look at the data that's out there on shootings in major developed countries outside of the US, it's a lot less frequent to the point that many places don't even get a single major shooting for years.

Almost every single day there seems to be a shooting in the US. Or hell, not just shootings, but accidents too. So many children and kids accidentally killing others or themselves because adults are terrible at keeping guns away from them or locking it up so they can't get to them. So much of this wouldn't be happening so often if there were tighter gun control, laws, and regulations in place so that those that are well-trained and qualified could buy, keep, and/or use them.

 

[Lacius]

Wait, wait, wait. Hold the fuck up.

Are you sure you're not trolling with this? Are you really sure?

Saying that I genuinely support child murder despite the fact that I support background checks and gun licenses? Calm down.

You suggested some very basic regulations were "too much." So we are clear, what regulations and restrictions do you support that we don't already have?

 

[WG481]

I think you should be required to take extensive examination to prove you can own a hunting weapon.
No military weapons.
Nothing automatic.
No "self defense" handguns.
Weaponry should be left to the military, but people still, you know, hunt.

 

[linuxares]

Hunting rilfes are fine imho. Since it's used for... hunting...
But this stupid "MY RIGHTS" just because you want to own something that sounds bang, seems so freaking neanderthal.

Backgrounds checks won't do shit. Anyone can go mentally insane any time. Anyone can commit a murder with a gun, at any time. Background checks won't find them.

Just because they would stop 75% means that 25% is still there. 25% is massive!
Weird that other countries made stricter laws and suddenly gun violence dropped!

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/europe/gun-laws-australia-britain.html

 

[Olmectron]

I'll just leave this right here.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848971668

 

[KennyAtom]

You suggested some very basic regulations were "too much." So we are clear, what regulations and restrictions do you support that we don't already have?

Licenses, stricter background checks, and anything further is constitution breaking.

 

[WG481]

Hunting rilfes are fine imho. Since it's used for... hunting...
But this stupid "MY RIGHTS" just because you want to own something that sounds bang, seems so freaking neanderthal.

Backgrounds checks won't do shit. Anyone can go mentally insane any time. Anyone can commit a murder with a gun, at any time. Background checks won't find them.

Just because they would stop 75% means that 25% is still there. 25% is massive!
Weird that other countries made stricter laws and suddenly gun violence dropped!

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/europe/gun-laws-australia-britain.html

We already have fireworks, people.
Literal bombs sold wholesale in stores.
Why do you need an explodey crossbow?

Again, hunting, that's fine. A friend of mine hunts, and I would trust that man with my life, because he keeps his guns very locked up and safe.

 

[WG481]

Licenses, stricter background checks, and anything further is constitution breaking.

Show me the line in the constitution.

 

[KennyAtom]

Show me the line in the constitution.

The right to own arms.

Making it so you can't own most arms, that's restricting your right to own arms, and therefore is bad.

Committing crimes or being mentally ill should be grounds for losing rights, but you can't restrict certain arms since that's constitution breaking.

 

[Olmectron]

The right to own arms.

Making it so you can't own most arms, that's restricting your right to own arms, and therefore is bad.

Committing crimes or being mentally ill should be grounds for losing rights, but you can't restrict certain arms since that's constitution breaking.

So, war guns like semi-automatic AR-15 style rifles should have the exact same regulations as a basic self-defense handgun?

Yeah, yeah. That sounds like a totally reasonable thing to do. /s

 

[KennyAtom]

So, war guns like semi-automatic AR-15 style rifles should have the exact same regulations as a basic self-defense handgun?

Unironically yes. You shouldn't allow certain types of guns and not others just because those other guns can shooty shoot 3 milliseconds faster.

 

[omgcat]

honestly, there is a position between full ban and strap everyone up. common sense gun reform like require all sales to be facilitated by a gun store with a background check (99% of all Americans live within 10mi of a gun store). stringent gun storage requirements, licensing, eliminating the domestic abuse loophole, etc. obviously there is no silver bullet (pun intended) to fix the gun problem in America, but just letting anyone and everyone be armed to the teeth is so stupid.

 

[Olmectron]

honestly, there is a position between full ban and strap everyone up. common sense gun reform like require all sales to be facilitated by a gun store with a background check (99% of all Americans live within 10mi of a gun store). stringent gun storage requirements, licensing, eliminating the domestic abuse loophole, etc. obviously there is no silver bullet (pun intended) to fix the gun problem in America, but just letting anyone and everyone be armed to the teeth is so stupid.

Yeah. I agree.

Yet you get people saying "stricter background checks are unconstitutional" and some other things like that.