Barack Obama or John McCain?

[bobrules]

Lol speaking of anti christ, it's definitely obama, although on radio they say it's actually tony blair. I don't mind obama, but I think he might ultimately destroy United states.

 

[Gamesphere]

It's kind of scary how many make up their mind for voting without substantial cause and reasoning.

If I could vote(Underage), I'd defienetly vote for Obama.

Why? Obama supports universal healthcare. Something we REALLY REALLY REALLY need in this deteriorating country. (You EU residents have it sooo good) but not only that, Obama is a strong leader. He interacts well with others and would be a great representative for the US in overseas business. He's young compared to previous presidents, but that only makes him more approachable. Some would say his inexperience is something to worry about, but he'll get through it. He's african-american which would be a plus for me,(History) BUT IS NOT the SOLE REASON I'd vote for him. If he had the same views as John McCain, I wouldn't think twice about not picking him..

On the John McCain side, Something is bothering me. Not only because his views are very similar to Bush, but the way he's running his campaign... He said distinctly in the beginning that his campaign was not going to be a slander, but now that's all that's playing on TV. Horrible ads comparing Obama to Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears? Huh? Where could yo uever make that connection. McCain challenged Obama to "Go visit the troops in Iraq", Obama visits and then it becomes a matter of " He's not in the US, where the problems matter" What? Make up your mind.... We seriously need a revolution in the White House, not just a change.... McCain isn't looking to bring that.


Im proud to call myself an "informed" American, I watch the News everyday, MSNBC Keith Obermann

The best part about it? Im only 15

 

[arctic_flame]

It's kind of scary how many make up their mind for voting without substantial cause and reasoning.

If I could vote(Underage), I'd defienetly vote for Obama.

Why? Obama supports universal healthcare. Something we REALLY REALLY REALLY need in this deteriorating country. (You EU residents have it sooo good) but not only that, Obama is a strong leader. He interacts well with others and would be a great representative for the US in overseas business. He's young compared to previous presidents, but that only makes him more approachable. Some would say his inexperience is something to worry about, but he'll get through it. He's african-american which would be a plus for me,(History) BUT IS NOT the SOLE REASON I'd vote for him. If he had the same views as John McCain, I wouldn't think twice about not picking him..

On the John McCain side, Something is bothering me. Not only because his views are very similar to Bush, but the way he's running his campaign... He said distinctly in the beginning that his campaign was not going to be a slander, but now that's all that's playing on TV. Horrible ads comparing Obama to Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears? Huh? Where could yo uever make that connection. McCain challenged Obama to "Go visit the troops in Iraq", Obama visits and then it becomes a matter of " He's not in the US, where the problems matter" What? Make up your mind.... We seriously need a revolution in the White House, not just a change.... McCain isn't looking to bring that.


Im proud to call myself an "informed" American, I watch the News everyday, MSNBC Keith Obermann

The best part about it? Im only 15

Although I agree with you, you're not looking at all sides of the argument. We have it sooo good? The NHS uses more public money than ever before on worse and worse service. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. You wouldn't want bumper tax increases to fund said universal healthcare.

Also, the mainstream media is a terrible way of informing yourself, you tend to get very skewed views depending on what "wing" the particular news programme has sided with. I just did a little research on Keith Olbermann, and his views in particular are quite disturbing...

Keep an open mind. I believe Obama is the lesser of 2 evils in this campaign.

 

[VmprHntrD]

McCain
Aside from what some uneducated types would want you to believe who just follow what the press tell them to think he does work from both sides of the isle at times. His plans more than less are sound, and while he has changed his mind on stuff in many cases it wasn't just for political expediency. I wanted this guy instead of Bushie back in 2000, and since that time he's done some nice across the isle work with things like McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, etc. He's a R, but he's also a little bit liberal...he's moderate in enough things. He at the least doesn't use the bible like a diving rod like the current man does, and McCain listens to people and takes advice.

Obama
I was a fan of this guy but ever since shortly after offing Clinton he has been steadily pissing me off. The guy was (is?) about change, but the thing is he never talked much substance until after Clinton. I liked his tone, his general hope message, and the way he handled himself wanting to be above the race card and other bs. Problem is since being the man of the party he has very reversed himself on those points, but he's also spelled out a lot of plans that really are financially irresponsible and frightening. He has talked about how this and that can pay for stuff and who should get pillaged more or less in taxes, etc and it's insane. Yes the rich should pay more in taxes, proportionately more, not just because they make more in general. He wants to tax business and he talks about cutting us middle class and less types a break...but dumbass doesn't get if you hose the businesses those expenses pass onto US and we pay more and lose more. Also he has been time and again panding the damn race card...'he has a funny name, he has crazy ideas, he's not like the other guys on the currency, oh and also he's black.' What kind of crap is that to run a pep rally off of, and then underhandedly say the republicans and mccain will try and scare them over him being black. McCain has never gone near that race card or the party in general either...it's disgusting and I've lost faith in the jerk and hope he gets buried. Seems general polls are showing the same with his great 12% average lead down to margin of error now.

 

[abaddon41_80]

McCain is much more capable than Obama, imo. I have been saying that Obama is much more of a celebrity than a politician since long before those commercials aired. But then again I still think Bush has been an average president considering his situation so I might be an idiot

 

[Gamesphere]

I knew this argument would appear. IMO he referenced race, but he didn't play the race card... He didn't say he thinks McCain and party would say that.

What Obama was trying to get at, Is the republicans are using low-road politics to distract the American people from the REAL Issues...And Frankly, that is just what they are doing.


@artic flame, Yes, I know to be wary of bias in News media. I'd like to see Keiths veiws if you have the link. Please don't link me to Wikipedia X(, All I know is, Obermans views CANNOT be any worse then the horrible scumbag that walks the earth known as Bill'O'Riley....

 

[bobrules]

I think Obama did play the race card, by saying that he is different than McCain. So he's trying to make african american think that John McCain is treating him differently cause he looks different.

 

[Prophet]

Obama.

Because he is black and my niece and nephew need some light.

Because although I can't say I'm optimistic that his presidency will be as grand and revolutionary as I wish, I think that I can afford him a chance. After 8 years of seeing the American ideals twisted via fear, I think we can afford an inspirational figure a chance to bring about the "change" he seems to genuinely believe in. How ever naive it might ultimately be.

Lastly, because he is the lesser of two evils. McCain voted against making Martin Luther Kings birthday a national holiday. So yeah, I'd rather see the nation burn than give it to him.

 

[cosmo2389]

McCain. They both suck, but Obama sucks more.

Seconded!

I mean think about it... McCain seems to be veerrrry close-minded and wants to continue the war (both things I don't agree with) and Obama screams "Change, Change, Change..." but fails to tell exactly what he plans to change...

Also, Obama is on tour and being followed as if he were a pop star or something of the like and I don't think someone like him will be able to handle the country very well... I mean he lacks experience and also has rather mysterious origins... He spent quite some time growing up in the Middle East and on last check, the Middle East is generally a haven for those who have a strong disinterest/dislike of America. And another thing, if you do notice he does tend to talk down to his main group of supporters (aka African Americans). Oh yeah, as someone else stated (who I cannot seem to remember their name), "You definitely shouldn't raise taxes in a down market."

Thus the bad outweighs the good for both, and McCain at least seems to have less bad things against him...

Overall I would probably not even vote if I didn't have such a strong want for Obama to lose...

 

[Sonicslasher]

If I could vote(Underage), I'd defienetly vote for Obama.

Why? Obama supports universal healthcare. Something we REALLY REALLY REALLY need in this deteriorating country. (You EU residents have it sooo good) but not only that, Obama is a strong leader. He interacts well with others and would be a great representative for the US in overseas business. He's young compared to previous presidents, but that only makes him more approachable. Some would say his inexperience is something to worry about, but he'll get through it. He's african-american which would be a plus for me,(History) BUT IS NOT the SOLE REASON I'd vote for him. If he had the same views as John McCain, I wouldn't think twice about not picking him..

The best part about it? Im only 15

God dammit.....

Universal health care is the LAST thing we need...
This isn't god damn Europe or goddamn Singapore or goddamn Germany, this is the USA!
And in the USA we are spending TOO MUCH goddamn money on TOO MANY programs that aren't working.
Universal health care is SOCIALISM, equal share, level playing field. And yes, I think Obama is a SOCIALIST!
Another reason it's bad, England is my example of choice, HIGH FUCKING TAXES. Who do you think pays the government for all this goddamn foolishness, Bill Gates?
I'm 15, and a conservative. Not democrat nor republican, but a conservative!

Don't get me start on the fucking global warming issue.....It's a myth...IMO
DRILL FOR OIL!!!! USA USA USA (You people in the USA the envy EU residents can suck mah balls)

 

[ca82686]

I forget who said it, but some pundit said "since when does crashing a plane make you qualified to be president?" - i agree with that, McCain is just so, so old, and completely out of touch with everything, he even said iraq - pakistan border, and just so many more things. oh, and newsflash, obama is black, so race is a valid topic of discussion, hes not playing any cards, because, he is the card. I'm not sure how stating a fact that he doesn't look like all the other presidents means he is playing a race card, he doesn't look like all the other presidents. People who would vote for mccain scare me.

 

[podunk1269]

Nether really appeal to me actually. I guess Mccain. But I would prefer
Bill Clinton back. J/k

not joking, I wish bill was back too

 

[cosmo2389]

I forget who said it, but some pundit said "since when does crashing a plane make you qualified to be president?" - i agree with that, McCain is just so, so old, and completely out of touch with everything, he even said iraq - pakistan border, and just so many more things. oh, and newsflash, obama is black, so race is a valid topic of discussion, hes not playing any cards, because, he is the card. I'm not sure how stating a fact that he doesn't look like all the other presidents means he is playing a race card, he doesn't look like all the other presidents. People who would vote for mccain scare me.

While Obama is African-American, the race card factor shouldn't have become as important and prominent as it has. Everyone has to remember, this is a political campaign not a racial standoff, and something that regards skin color shouldn't have become this important.

Also, YOU scare me...

 

[ca82686]

they just need something, anything to talk about, this one comment just exploded for no apparent reason, and then mccain saying zomg its shameful blah blah blah shut up, you're the one playing paris hilton ads talking about obama, I used to respect McCain until he turned out to be a two faced puppet. Maverick my ass, he is now bush jr. and good, good, keep being afraid, it feeds my powers.

 

[cosmo2389]

Actually I haven't even seen those ads... I somewhat agree with your Bush Jr. comment though... I just
disike Obama more than McCain...

 

[abaddon41_80]

I knew this argument would appear. IMO he referenced race, but he didn't play the race card... He didn't say he thinks McCain and party would say that.

What Obama trying to get at, Is the republicans are using low-road politics to distract the American people from the REAL Issues...And Frankly, that is just what they are doing.

But Obama is the one that brought up race to begin with and he did say that the republicans would try and use it to distract from the real issues which he doesn't even discuss. All Obama does is say what he thinks people want to here and bring up his race/name to try and get people to like or relate to him and he is going to win through that, not through ability

 

[ca82686]

thats what everyone says aba, its what they do to get elected. I've always said once bush gets out of there, it can only get better, because right now we're basically in shambles, but if Mccain gets in there, we are really, really screwed. Obama at least has the potential to be good, McCain represents all that is wrong in this country, and I don't mean to say Obama is the answer, but, lets just give him a shot, he really cant be worse than bush. also why does everyone say reagan was a good president? Iran-contra accord much? why do the republicans think reagan is some sort of hero, he was a movie star, so if they played the hilton-britney adds against him, it would make sense, since he actually was a movie/pop star. why should obama be chastised because he is popular? lets see, a croud of 200,000 people in germany vs. a few people in a grocery store, hmm, i think mccain is just kind of jealous. He's the one who suggested the trip to obama. Its all just a load from him and his growths.

 

[Prophet]

Universal health care is SOCIALISM, equal share, level playing field. And yes, I think Obama is a SOCIALIST!
EGAD MAN, WE MUST STOP HIM!!! LEST HIS DEMONIC VISIONS OF HEALTHCARE EQUALITY BECOME OUR DYSTOPIAN* REALITY!!!
Um, Hi. I am socialist, could you tell me what exactly is so bad about an “equal share” and “leveled playing field”? Enlighten me please.

*Dystopian is not a brand of fruit-punch.

I mean he lacks experience and also has rather mysterious origins

...
A semi-valid point, followed by the opening line from an 80's superhero comic. Well done.
QUOTE(ca82686 @ Aug 1 2008, 11:14 PM)

Oh, and newsflash, obama is black, so race is a valid topic of discussion, hes not playing any cards, because, he is the card.

People like you, people who can put together a coherent idea, seemingly independent of propaganda... You, are singularly the reason that I still hold a glimmer of faith in this country. I am completely serious in this: thank you. This thread was on the fringe of becoming another haven for ignorance, caged thought and parroting, but that comment even in the midst of it's probable burial; it leaves me smiling. Because at the very least I know, however small in numbers, there are people who exist beyond the imposed veil of a corrupt system.

 

[Gamesphere]

Exactly Exactly EXACTLY! Thank you ca82686 and Prophet

God dammit.....

Universal health care is the LAST thing we need...
This isn't god damn Europe or goddamn Singapore or goddamn Germany, this is the USA!
And in the USA we are spending TOO MUCH goddamn money on TOO MANY programs that aren't working.
Universal health care is SOCIALISM, equal share, level playing field. And yes, I think Obama is a SOCIALIST!
Another reason it's bad, England is my example of choice, HIGH FUCKING TAXES. Who do you think pays the government for all this goddamn foolishness, Bill Gates?
I'm 15, and a conservative. Not democrat nor republican, but a conservative!

Don't get me start on the fucking global warming issue.....It's a myth...IMO
DRILL FOR OIL!!!! USA USA USA (You people in the USA the envy EU residents can suck mah balls)

Just this alone sounds like your born during the 40's....

Do you fear the Red Scare? Are you disapproving of the Olympics being held in Beijing?

What's wrong with socialism when it's helping millions of people let alone yourself! Don't you know taxes are already high? And a level playing field, Whats wrong with that? Or do you prefer being the higher up looking down on others? Heaven forbid they were to be equal as you...

Global Warming is a myth IYO, im fine with whatever you believe in, I just ask everyone who doesn't believe, IF it is true, What the hell are you gonna do when the seas levels rise? Saying a sorry, isn't going to make them drop....

Drill for Oil, You're talking about The Government spending money on ridiculous foolishness let alone the war, Do you realize that drilling for oil can cost millions of tax payer money?? And since you seem not to know anything about oil drilling, Did you know it may take at least 4 to 5 years to even hit oil?? In the meantime, we are using a whole lot of money that can be put to setting up a solid healthcare system or even fixing are damn failing economy. Or even better, How about we put that money to good use by researching and producing renewable resources that we can use for power and fuel...


Thank God, You are not President.

 

[abaddon41_80]

thats what everyone says aba, its what they do to get elected. I've always said once bush gets out of there, it can only get better, because right now we're basically in shambles, but if Mccain gets in there, we are really, really screwed. Obama at least has the potential to be good, McCain represents all that is wrong in this country, and I don't mean to say Obama is the answer, but, lets just give him a shot, he really cant be worse than bush. also why does everyone say reagan was a good president? Iran-contra accord much? why do the republicans think reagan is some sort of hero, he was a movie star, so if they played the hilton-britney adds against him, it would make sense, since he actually was a movie/pop star. why should obama be chastised because he is popular? lets see, a croud of 200,000 people in germany vs. a few people in a grocery store, hmm, i think mccain is just kind of jealous. He's the one who suggested the trip to obama. Its all just a load from him and his growths.

I understand that politicians do say what people want to hear when they are running for office but they still discuss the issues, Obama almost completely ignores the issues and just focuses on making people like him. And btw, it would be easy for someone to be worse than Bush