Being very overweight.

[Dark_Phoras]

A whole text ignoring the source I provided and failing to provide one yourself. You better bookend this, alright. You added nothing in three or so hours of discussion. It also goes to show that forum users aren't a credible source of information - if a person wants to get an informed opinion, they should go to a specialist.

P.S.: your "source"

Beyond the WebMD source I shared earlier, allow me to share additional sources with a quick Google search:

Dr. Edward Bitok, DrPH, MS, RDN, assistant professor, Department of Nutrition & Dietetics at the LLU School of Allied Health Professions ; Dr. Priya Khorana, D.Ed — doctor of Nutrition Education ; Stacy Tucker, RN, nutrition expert for Almeda Labs

The wait time between meals should be between three and five hours (...) This waiting period is ideal because it is the average time it takes for the stomach's contents to be emptied into the small intestine after a standard meal. Waiting this long will also ensure that a true appetite has returned to sustain the body instead of just eating out of habit or as an emotional response.

A wait of six to eight hours between meals can cause problems in your everyday activities, as it can lead to a lack of focus, acidity, irritation (hangry), shakiness, low energy, low blood sugar levels, and eventually, over-eating. Waiting too long can also lead to long-term health complications such as low blood sugar levels.

Center for Healthy Eating and Activity Research (CHEAR), University of California San Diego

The goal is to eat every 3 to 4 hours in order to keep your blood sugar consistent and for your stomach to optimally digest. Setting this schedule consistently across days can also help curb overeating which can lead to bloating or indigestion. In general, scheduling what and when you eat will help you maintain a balanced diet and create a more stable energy source, as your metabolism will be engaged at optimal levels all day long.

 

[appleburger]

A whole text ignoring the source I provided and failing to provide one yourself. You better bookend this, alright. You added nothing in three or so hours of discussion. It also goes to show that forum users aren't a credible source of information - if a person wants to get an informed opinion, they should go to a specialist.

P.S.: your "source"

View attachment 323789

Fine I'll take the bait! Lol but this is it - only because you practically begged me

Lol why do you think that's 'my source'? I'm tempted to rant about why reading is good for you, but if you're too lazy to look any of this up, then here's 3 studies I found in 3 seconds on pubmed:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31034009/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25862614/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19943985/

You've only hoisted yourself by your own petard, here. Jama also works just fine for me, see screenshot. There are plenty of other similar networks you can use to find papers on this stuff, which I'm sure you know, as somebody who knows how to validate information.

 

[appleburger]

A whole text ignoring the source I provided and failing to provide one yourself. You better bookend this, alright. You added nothing in three or so hours of discussion. It also goes to show that forum users aren't a credible source of information - if a person wants to get an informed opinion, they should go to a specialist.

P.S.: your "source"

View attachment 323789

Beyond the WebMD source I shared earlier, allow me to share additional sources with a quick Google search:

Dr. Edward Bitok, DrPH, MS, RDN, assistant professor, Department of Nutrition & Dietetics at the LLU School of Allied Health Professions ; Dr. Priya Khorana, D.Ed — doctor of Nutrition Education ; Stacy Tucker, RN, nutrition expert for Almeda Labs

The wait time between meals should be between three and five hours (...) This waiting period is ideal because it is the average time it takes for the stomach's contents to be emptied into the small intestine after a standard meal. Waiting this long will also ensure that a true appetite has returned to sustain the body instead of just eating out of habit or as an emotional response.

A wait of six to eight hours between meals can cause problems in your everyday activities, as it can lead to a lack of focus, acidity, irritation (hangry), shakiness, low energy, low blood sugar levels, and eventually, over-eating. Waiting too long can also lead to long-term health complications such as low blood sugar levels.

Center for Healthy Eating and Activity Research (CHEAR), University of California San Diego

The goal is to eat every 3 to 4 hours in order to keep your blood sugar consistent and for your stomach to optimally digest. Setting this schedule consistently across days can also help curb overeating which can lead to bloating or indigestion. In general, scheduling what and when you eat will help you maintain a balanced diet and create a more stable energy source, as your metabolism will be engaged at optimal levels all day long.

The rest of what you added is all very valid, and worth talking about; I responded before your edit. I refuted specifically your weight loss claim. We can talk more some other time if you want to hash that out, though - I really do have to go now.

 

[SG854]

I'm on the Atkins diet

 

[Dark_Phoras]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31034009/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25862614/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19943985/

First source isn't related to my point. In some northern european countries it's common for people to eat a lot for one meal and snack the rest of the day. This study is verifying the results of balancing the food intake that transforms those snacks and the large meal into regular meals.

Second and third sources are an attempt to replicate the results of other studies. The third study denies what I wrote; the second wasn't conclusive - the most frequent occurrence in science, things don't always work the same way. Studies can also be faulty for several reasons that the investigators couldn't control and that impacts the result. Either way, the 3-hour argument is peer-reviewed, which means that there were a lot of studies that could replicate the result and it became with a considerable consensus. So these loose studies that couldn't replicate the result are moot.

 

[Marc_LFD]

They go to fast food chains almost daily, order fast food via delivery food apps, watch shows about overweight people, etc.. If people don't take care of their own health then no one will.

The West glorifies fatness as if it's a good thing.

I like a juicy burger with french fries and a beer, but it's not something I'd do every day. Do I order it? No, I just cook/fry it and add what I want.

 

[CoolMe]

You won't get away with eating processed foods for long, with a fast metabolism..
Also, sugar is the single component to watch out for. Don't ignore it just 'cause you're still in your 20's or 30's thinking it can't/won't affect you. It does and it will.
One can do research on the internet regarding the effects of sugar consumption..

 

[Deleted member 114266]

End of the day it's calories in vs calories out. People will make all kinds of excuses but they likely get little to no exercise and eat too much trash.

I like a juicy burger with french fries and a beer, but it's not something I'd do every day. Do I order it? No, I just cook/fry it and add what I want.

Do you also brew yourself a nice IPA or lager? If not it's a fun hobby and the three hours of stirring is a great arm workout.

 

[appleburger]

First source isn't related to my point. In some northern european countries it's common for people to eat a lot for one meal and snack the rest of the day. This study is verifying the results of balancing the food intake that transforms those snacks and the large meal into regular meals.

Second and third sources are an attempt to replicate the results of other studies. The third study denies what I wrote; the second wasn't conclusive - the most frequent occurrence in science, things don't always work the same way. Studies can also be faulty for several reasons that the investigators couldn't control and that impacts the result. Either way, the 3-hour argument is peer-reviewed, which means that there were a lot of studies that could replicate the result and it became with a considerable consensus. So these loose studies that couldn't replicate the result are moot.

Your 'point' was:

The body is storing more fat (energy reserves) to compensate for the lack of regular meals.

Which is bullshit. Stop trying to dress it into something else and acting like I walked in here with a radical idea that needs to be proven to you, just because you're unwilling to actually put the work in. Weight loss is not a mystery, and only fools think there's more to it than Caloric deficit (in any meaningful way).

I know you're arguing from ignorance, and I know you realize that at some level. It's incredibly obvious. You're trying to move the goalpost now. That's a tell tale sign of somebody who refuses to reflect on these discussions. Go back and read our convo and I think you'll see I'm trying to help more than anything.

Best of luck.

 

[Dark_Phoras]

@appleburger I'm not moving any goalposts. You're always isolating bits of what I write and share and acting like that's everything that I've written and shared. I return to my original post:

So yes, by waiting too long between meals or snacks, the body enters in starvation mode, storing fat and burning muscle. On the other hand, by eating regularly, the body's metabolism is optimized and doesn't enter into starvation mode. I'm not answering you further.

 

[Deleted member 114266]

So yes, by waiting too long between meals or snacks, the body enters in starvation mode, storing fat and burning muscle. On the other hand, by eating regularly, the body's metabolism is optimized and doesn't enter into starvation mode. I'm not answering you further.

Did you read the WebMD link in your post? The only mention of "starvation mode" is in the claims of this Cruise person. WebMD says this diet can work as it has a caloric restriction where you are eating several small portions throughout the day.

But just not eating for several hours and your body goes berserk is complete hogwash. Someone who is diabetic could have issues due to blood glucose levels. But someone who is type 2, with regular exercise and a controlled diet can reverse this.

There have been studies and people have proven that intermittent fasting can work. A common method is to fast for 16-18 hours a day, and then eat within a 6-8 hour window. This goes against eating every three hours. And maybe people have successfully used it to lose weight.

The most important part of dieting is controlling what you eat. Eat something filling like meat, oatmeal, or nuts and you won't feel hungry in only three hours. If you do small exercises throughout the day, it's even possible to put your body in a mode where it wants to keep burning your fat reserves rather than increasing them.

 

[stanleyopar2000]

Eating shit and junk food willy nilly and then not realizing their metabolism slowed...but still eating the same way...one day you look in the mirror and it hits you

- Source i'm working on this now. Avoiding sugar altogether, no soda and lots of water.

 

[Marc_LFD]

My sister lives with me and she's almost constantly eating which I don't understand why, due to it she's gotten "bigger" and food vanishes, plus she doesn't care much about the cost of energy she wastes. However, when she has to pay up she starts crying or something to feel pity for her. Family.

Thru a day, I'll drink a coffee in the morning with two cookies, then for lunch it tends to be a decent meal which fills me up for the whole day. That's it for me, yet she's never full.

 

[Jokey_Carrot]

My sister lives with me and she's almost constantly eating which I don't understand why, due to it she's gotten "bigger" and food vanishes, plus she doesn't care much about the cost of energy she wastes. However, when she has to pay up she starts crying or something to feel pity for her. Family.

Thru a day, I'll drink a coffee in the morning with two cookies, then for lunch it tends to be a decent meal which fills me up for the whole day. That's it for me, yet she's never full.

The obvious solution here is to burn her for heat.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

The obvious solution here is to burn her for heat.

While you are obviously joking, it is noteworthy that some planet saving women need more calories than Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime to maintain their whale-like appearance.

 

[Hanafuda]

One thing i hear is genetics, which i believe and most science research confirm unless its a very rare disease. most people should be able to lose weight with good diet and exercise.

Genetics is a factor. Ectomorph, mesomorph, endomorph. But anyone can, in theory, achieve "best case" of the body type in which they were born. What might be a bigger factor is neurodevelopmental effects on the brain during early childhood, from foods that infants and toddlers are getting in developed countries that never existed before the 20th century. Refined sweets for the little ones is starting to look the the big no-no. My wife, who is Japanese, says "duh." She didn't let our daughter have anything really sweet until she was 3 years old, except a small (small) piece of cake on her birthday. A snack was dry plain Cheerios. Not "Honey Nut" .... plain.


https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-09-scientists-obesity-neurodevelopmental-disorder.html

 

[City]

When i see a person who is very overweight who is young too, first that comes to mind is what happened or didn't happen that person that made them become so overweight?

This thread is more to get an understanding why someone might gain so much weight its not a bashing or weight shaming.

One thing i hear is genetics, which i believe and most science research confirm unless its a very rare disease. most people should be able to lose weight with good diet and exercise.

Sugar is the number one enemy of the human race imo. not a country which your government leaders said or what was written in a book how many years ago.


your thoughts?

I used to be extremely obese due to a car accident that made me temporarily unable to be as active as I used to be and very depressed. I used food as a way to comfort myself and everyone knows how great junk food can feel. It’s literally manufactured to be irresistible. Some junk food can be very cheap too.


Took me a while to get out of the vicious cycle (you can find my story in the fitness group), but let me tell you one thing: people did NOT help. People treating me like a subhuman, a joke, “ew” and so on wasn’t helpful the slightest. The only people you can count on are other fatties, but only the ones that are also trying to get fitter.

Once you go from getting laughed at by people to “excuse me sir” when they’re in your way, you realize just how awful people are to the ugly and fat just for funzies. They don’t give a shit about “pushing them to be healthy”. It’s like saying that high school bullies are tough to nerds to help them sharpen up.

 

[godreborn]

Good news! I used to drink only normal coke in those 16oz bottles, but I've started drinking diet Dr pepper in cans as well as bringing a large cup of ice water for when i go to bed, since i have acid reflex. With that being said, I've lost over 10lbs. I still weigh too much at 265lbs, but it's a start. I lost that in about 3 weeks.

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

I think obesity is a choice, considering that it is always avoidable.

It's just physics. Energy in, energy out. If you burn more calories than you consume, you will lose weight. There can't be any argument against this because it's physical science.

Anyone can lose weight, if they can move. Fat floats. Even amputees can swim with proper devices. Anyone can lose weight, if they want to. It's just science.

 

[Hayato213]

Good news! I used to drink only normal coke in those 16oz bottles, but I've started drinking diet Dr pepper in cans as well as bringing a large cup of ice water for when i go to bed, since i have acid reflex. With that being said, I've lost over 10lbs. I still weigh too much at 265lbs, but it's a start. I lost that in about 3 weeks.

Good .