Far Right Presidential Candidate Wins in Argentina

[Viri]

His win would be like a 3rd party us candidate becoming president

God I wish that happened. lol

 

[supermist]

Can somebody translate this?

If you finished middle school you'd probably have the reading comprehension to understand that.

 

[jomaper]

God I wish that happened. lol

Except this third party is directly sponsored by what would be the republican party here.

 

[Viri]

Except this third party is directly sponsored by what would be the republican party here.

What does that even mean?

 

[jomaper]

What does that even mean?

Exactly what I said. It's not an independent party. They are now making a coalition with the republican party here (the second biggest party).

 

[TraderPatTX]

If you finished middle school you'd probably have the reading comprehension to understand that.

Can I quote this in the future?

 

[Alexander_86]

Deleting your central bank to depend entirely on a currency that might soon be in the hand of a crazy Republican doesn't sound like a great idea.

but our currecy is bad

 

[Dark_Ansem]

but our currecy is bad

And now it's even worse. Also

 

[jomaper]

And now it's even worse. Also

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Everything is going as we (the now opposition) said it would. We're gonna get fucked.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Ah well.

 

[sarkwalvein]

You know, don't trust any politician in Argentina, even when they say they are not politicians.
They all go full on theatrics during campaign, this one decided to play the role of a anti-communist mad-man with a chainsaw.
It is just a character. It's always just a character.
In the end they go into the government and they are always the same type of incompetent thief without any values that tries to pocket every dime they can, and help their friends' companies take a part of the pie also. All of them corrupt.

The Macri government, incompetent assholes that took an enormous debt from the IMF and wasted all this money (probably into their pockets) and kicked an economy that was already lying on the floor into an even worse condition.

The Kirchnerist governments, incompetent assholes that created the biggest rift in Argentine society since the dictatorship, their government took quite a fascist approach by threatening companies and opposition, took an enormous debt from China and wasted all of it (probably into their pockets) destroying an economy that had barely recovered. To be honest the 2008 crisis hit them and this didn't help them. Probably the worst government since democracy made a comeback... And if you look at their last term, the Alberto Fernandez term, this is a new achievement in incompetence; the economy completely destroyed by them.

The De La Rua government, another group of incompetents that were not able to handle the precarious state of the economy and let it fall into the abyss.

The Menem government, half incompetent, to be honest it did some things well and a lot of them not-so-well, they had to deal with the hyperinflation from Alfonsin and they at first achieved it; at a high cost; it was demagogic and a bit fascist like all Peronist governments, it promised the sun and pocketed all the money that would be needed to get it; also to be honest they had to handle the 1998 oil crisis and this hit South America hard. Anyway, not a good government.

The Alfonsin government, half incompetent, well they had a big task to bring the country back into democracy, I don't believe they did a good job at it, but it was better than nothing, also worst fucking hyperinflation since post WW1 Germany.

The dictatorship before it... fucking murderers, and they also took enormous debt just to keep up their murdering machine going.

... No acceptable government in the last 50 years ...

Some people here talk of the Macri government as if it were worse than the Kirchnerist one... Nah... They all are bullshit. Incompetent thieves, they are not one above the other.

The current one, Milei, well... Some people here make him look as a monster, I don't buy it. It is probably the same shit as before. I would like to see how things move on during the next year, but I expect the sadly usual economic disaster achieved through lies and incompetence, I mean it already is looking like that, specially the incompetence. But I want to have hope, because I would like to see Argentina doing well some fucking day again.

The only authentic monsters were the dictatorship. Every other government afterwards are incompetent thieves, with some little traces of populism and fascism here and there, but they do not compare to the dictatorship, not at all, this is still democracy, not a good one, but democracy still. Don't let people tell you otherwise, because it would just be a lie.

Also, to whomever here that said that "Argentinians voted him because they wanted far-right". Argentinians voted him because they were disappointed/disgusted with the previous government and there was no other option. I don't believe he is far-right or even seen by Argentinians as far-right in the "European definition" of far-right (racist/authoritarian/ultranationalist); but actually he is seen as "much-too-the-right" in the sense of minimal state/free market/ultra-liberalism (or in his own words anarcho-capitalism).

 

[KingVamp]

In other news, Poland now has Donald Tusk.

 

[jomaper]

You know, don't trust any politician in Argentina, even when they say they are not politicians.
They all go full on theatrics during campaign, this one decided to play the role of a anti-communist mad-man with a chainsaw.
It is just a character. It's always just a character.
In the end they go into the government and they are always the same type of incompetent thief without any values that tries to pocket every dime they can, and help their friends' companies take a part of the pie also. All of them corrupt.

The Macri government, incompetent assholes that took an enormous debt from the IMF and wasted all this money (probably into their pockets) and kicked an economy that was already lying on the floor into an even worse condition.

The Kirchnerist governments, incompetent assholes that created the biggest rift in Argentine society since the dictatorship, their government took quite a fascist approach by threatening companies and opposition, took an enormous debt from China and wasted all of it (probably into their pockets) destroying an economy that had barely recovered. To be honest the 2008 crisis hit them and this didn't help them. Probably the worst government since democracy made a comeback... And if you look at their last term, the Alberto Fernandez term, this is a new achievement in incompetence; the economy completely destroyed by them.

The De La Rua government, another group of incompetents that were not able to handle the precarious state of the economy and let it fall into the abyss.

The Menem government, half incompetent, to be honest it did some things well and a lot of them not-so-well, they had to deal with the hyperinflation from Alfonsin and they at first achieved it; at a high cost; it was demagogic and a bit fascist like all Peronist governments, it promised the sun and pocketed all the money that would be needed to get it; also to be honest they had to handle the 1998 oil crisis and this hit South America hard. Anyway, not a good government.

The Alfonsin government, half incompetent, well they had a big task to bring the country back into democracy, I don't believe they did a good job at it, but it was better than nothing, also worst fucking hyperinflation since post WW1 Germany.

The dictatorship before it... fucking murderers, and they also took enormous debt just to keep up their murdering machine going.

... No acceptable government in the last 50 years ...

Some people here talk of the Macri government as if it were worse than the Kirchnerist one... Nah... They all are bullshit. Incompetent thieves, they are not one above the other.

The current one, Milei, well... Some people here make him look as a monster, I don't buy it. It is probably the same shit as before. I would like to see how things move on during the next year, but I expect the sadly usual economic disaster achieved through lies and incompetence, I mean it already is looking like that, specially the incompetence. But I want to have hope, because I would like to see Argentina doing well some fucking day again.

The only authentic monsters were the dictatorship. Every other government afterwards are incompetent thieves, with some little traces of populism and fascism here and there, but they do not compare to the dictatorship, not at all, this is still democracy, not a good one, but democracy still. Don't let people tell you otherwise, because it would just be a lie.

Also, to whomever here that said that "Argentinians voted him because they wanted far-right". Argentinians voted him because they were disappointed/disgusted with the previous government and there was no other option. I don't believe he is far-right or even seen by Argentinians as far-right in the "European definition" of far-right (racist/authoritarian/ultranationalist); but actually he is seen as "much-too-the-right" in the sense of minimal state/free market/ultra-liberalism (or in his own words anarcho-capitalism).

The far right part of his speech is mainly influenced by his vicepresident who is the daughter and niece of two military pieces of shit (his uncle was actually convicted) who's a negationist of the horrors made by the last dictatorship (Videla). Also the fact that their most solid militant base is filled with anti semitic, racist, misogynistic pieces of shit who are using twitter much like Trump's most fascist militant base does. Lots of fake news, doxxing, threats and hate speech vindicating the military saying they should've done more to extinguish the communists (of course everyone who doesn't think like they do are communists). Milei is just a dogmatic asshole who's too much inside his own ass to realize his austrian economic school is all theory and not a single proven point in reality.

On the other hand, saying the kirchnerist government was the worst in democracy (which one? Nestor? Cristina #1? Cristina #2?) seems farfetched to say the least considering this last government and Macri's. They both fucked us to the abyss.
-Nestor took a broken country with >60% unemployment and making good use of the record prices of commodities put things back on track while also paying the IMF all of the debt we owed. Things were looking really good.
-Then Cristina made the State bigger and had some serious problems with media companies, specially Clarin (because of the "Media Law" which was an anti monopoly law) which is the biggest monopoly in the country and shapes the perspective of its consumers (they also supported the military in the 76 dictatorship and the war in 83), and the aggro industry (with the 125 resolution by Lousteau in 2008). She didn't want to "devalue" our economy and then started printing money, that's where things went wrong.
-Then her second election (historical result) very influenced by Nestor's death. Media and the eroding economy did their thing and put Macri there.
-Macri is on record saying (along with Dujovne and Caputo) how Cristina left a great economy, with no debt in USD and ready to take credit to grow, and that they did. They took the biggest loan in the IMF's history and did literally nothing with it. They used it for their friends in Panamá and other tax haven countries and now we're fucked for literally a 100 years to come with no sign of things ever getting better.
-Macri fucked things so bad he lost the election in the first round to Alberto Fernández who, to be honest, was fucked in the ass by the pandemic, the worst drought in recent history and the war. Besides that, he did a HORRIBLE job and he's basically been MIA for the past two years.

And now here we are. Our coin was devaluated a 120% yesterday (1USD went from $400 to $800 with no stops), prices are going through the roof with an expected inflation of 60% between december and february, and no sign of things getting better at all. This is going to get dark really fast and I fear we will have a repetition of what happened in 2001.

 

[Minox]

So is he actually far right or is this another case of "Not socialist/communist therefore far right"?

 

[sarkwalvein]

So is he actually far right or is this another case of "Not socialist/communist therefore far right"?

In my opinion he is not far right, but a small very vocal part of his followers could be considered bigots in a way. Do you consider Donald Trump far right? If you do, you probably would consider Milei far right also. He is probably as much of a populist as Trump.

He is nonetheless as anticommunist as the average American party member, that would choose even a senile Joe Biden before Bernie Sanders, because Sanders is "too much to the left".

 

[jomaper]

So is he actually far right or is this another case of "Not socialist/communist therefore far right"?

Not even worth answering considering you're clearly biased and coming in hot with that dog whistle.

 

[Foxi4]

So is he actually far right or is this another case of "Not socialist/communist therefore far right"?

He’s a libertarian who’s super into deregulation and small government. The far right are authoritarians. Milei’s political platform is “afuera!” and his economic plan is based on Friedman.

 

[jomaper]

He’s a libertarian who’s super into deregulation and small government. The far right are authoritarians. Milei’s political platform is “afuera!” and his economic plan is based on Friedman.

He's just super anti "lefties" and best friends with literal alt right figures, lmao.

 

[tabzer]

He's just super anti "lefties" and best friends with literal alt right figures, lmao.

While it might be true that part of his platforming is against pre-existing establishment, you aren't accounting for his proposed solution for moving forward. The "he's just" comment undermines that, and is a propagandist tactic. I'm not saying his method will work. I'm pointing out that you are limiting the conversation.

 

[jomaper]

While it might be true that part of his platforming is against pre-existing establishment, you aren't accounting for his proposed solution for moving forward. The "he's just" comment undermines that, and is a propagandist tactic. I'm not saying his method will work. I'm pointing out that you are limiting the conversation.

Because I live here and I know what kind of discourse he has. I also know how easy it is to fall for what the media says. The dude has a heavy right platform with an alt right rigid voting base (15% or so I'd say). He's best friends with Bolsonaro and his even more right-leaning son. His vicepresident I already gave context in a previous comment. He's now allied with Macri who's a neo-liberal (right leaning). He was visited and congratulated by all the heavy right leaning movements in the West, starting with Trump and followed by Kast in Chile, Bolsonaro in Brasil, Bukele in El Salvador, Vox in Spain.
Anyone acting as if he isn't far right is being naive or doing it on purpose.