How not to Run a Company in 2022!

[emigre]

I'm enjoying the rise of mastodon. Thanks Elon!

 

[MicroNut99]

It does seem to be his stated goal.

Good guess as any.
I think he did it for power. A heroes journey into a fools paradise.

In the end if it becomes a free speech platform then we win,

What does a free speech platform really look like?
Real life example from here on gbtemp.
In a thread about abortion I was raised as a Buhhdist and let people know that here on GBATemp.
From that point forward the Asian slurs' started and never stopped.
As is typical with bigots, the person couldn't even get the slurs straight.
I reported it but the harassment and gas lighting continued.
I know from life experience that this speech influences hate that results in less that human treatment.
But like some things that are illegal it is ok here and pretty much everywhere if someone lets it slide.

if it remains the same and just idles doing not a lot while being containment for useless people then we win, and if it implodes possibly taking him down with it (I would probably view him more favourably than most of the billionaire set but that is not a high barrier to pass, and I do still remember hyperloop and the hot air that is Tesla) then we win. From where I sit makes more sense than buying a newspaper as a vanity project would in current space year (nobody reads/trusts/cares about newspapers any more, buying one then being even more of a waste of money). In the end nothing of value gets lost.

win-win?

 

[FAST6191]

Good guess as any.
I think he did it for power. A heroes journey into a fools paradise.

What does a free speech platform really look like?
Real life example from here on gbtemp.
In a thread about abortion I was raised as a Buhhdist and let people know that here on GBATemp.
From that point forward the Asian slurs' started and never stopped.
As is typical with bigots, the person couldn't even get the slurs straight.
I reported it but the harassment and gas lighting continued.
I know from life experience that this speech influences hate that results in less that human treatment.
But like some things that are illegal it is ok here and pretty much everywhere if someone lets it slide.


win-win?

So if they can't even get an insult right then you know they are easily enough ignored. The system works.

But yeah I imagine US first amendment such that anything that is not a threat, call for violence, copyright/IP concerns, slander/libel (presume that is what non parody things were about, possibly also trademark) is probably going to be in play, or at least that is how I would envision it and he has claimed he is aiming for (delivered reality remains to be seen). Other countries have far lesser protections and whether they bow to those would remain to be seen (probably easy to tell some Islamic theocracy and maybe China*, whether they deal with the UK's weaker takes, Australia, Europe, Canada, Russia and the like or be do or die is a different matter)

Some seem to want some kind of curated garden in which they can never be offended (a totally unworkable standard) or indeed enforce their arbitrary standards upon others. This also seems to be the case for Amazon (them pulling AWS for things), Google and Apple (don't know about Microsoft for what they have as far as) and no chance of getting the average pleb to install things outside of normal store means, plus said stores wanting a taste for most things (he already mentioned Wechat/QQ/Tencent's Chinese efforts which are basically facebook, this, messenger and paypal rolled into one, wechat being the default payment method for most things in China), or getting mobile web browsers to work nicely as a workaround.

*he does have a fair amount of dealings with China and likely will if they continue to hold the keys to the lithium supplies of the world (see how capricious they are with regards to all manner of things in things as pedestrian as films and games, and that is before the current regime cranked it up to 11 with the recent "election") then who knows.

I shall have to watch the video properly later but about 6 minutes in and he has done the summary/overview. Interesting take but I am not sure how it applies here.

 

[The Catboy]

He spent 44 billion dollars on an app for the stupidest reasons. I won’t be shocked if Twitter dies completely because of his stupid decisions

 

[MicroNut99]

So if they can't even get an insult right then you know they are easily enough ignored. The system works.

If its directed as a personal insult then it shouldn't be a loud at all.
Just because someone is ignorant of the words used the intent is clear.
So if I wanted to insult you based on your religion, sex or gender then all I would have to do is use all the "wrong" insulting words?
System broken.

But yeah I imagine US first amendment such that anything that is not a threat, call for violence, copyright/IP concerns, slander/libel (presume that is what non parody things were about, possibly also trademark) is probably going to be in play, or at least that is how I would envision it and he has claimed he is aiming for (delivered reality remains to be seen). Other countries have far lesser protections and whether they bow to those would remain to be seen (probably easy to tell some Islamic theocracy and maybe China*, whether they deal with the UK's weaker takes, Australia, Europe, Canada, Russia and the like or be do or die is a different matter)

Violence is where I draw the line.
Having been in the service I know that words do damage.
Ask Alex Jones what he thinks of libel.
Most people like to be heard. (its the era of self-publishing!)

But I think that some people like to talk and not be responsible for what they say.
Then use the second amendment to back themselves up.
They may even use a game forum to push their political views by insulting people.
With that said TV and Radio are regulated far more than the internet and ISP's should remain open gateways to the network.
Politics at the point of gun.
It's a great example of religious extremism in the US.
I wasn't trying to push any view and that's the problem with moderation.
If all the moderators are not on the same page then racists get away shit.

Some seem to want some kind of curated garden in which they can never be offended (a totally unworkable standard) or indeed enforce their arbitrary standards upon others. This also seems to be the case for Amazon (them pulling AWS for things), Google and Apple (don't know about Microsoft for what they have as far as) and no chance of getting the average pleb to install things outside of normal store means, plus said stores wanting a taste for most things (he already mentioned Wechat/QQ/Tencent's Chinese efforts which are basically facebook, this, messenger and paypal rolled into one, wechat being the default payment method for most things in China), or getting mobile web browsers to work nicely as a workaround.

Well this isn't Apple and everyone's ethic and culture experiences are different and part of their identity.
A walled garden is gbatemp. Piracy on the high seas but only on the verbally downlow. Ads up!

Its would be a shame that free-speech on gbatemp includes the right to say racist things about other members at all.
I hope this isn't what you're implying.

Interesting take but I am not sure how it applies here.

Hypothetically apply the chart.
What would be a win-win for twitter?
How often could someone find themselves graphed on the chart for their own lifetimes?

 

[djpannda]

I don’t think “trying to troll” a Senator, while multiple of your companies are under federal investigation is smart.

 

[Marc_LFD]

I see some people are against remote working, but do they understand why they dislike it? Can they explain why?

With remote work, employees don't need to travel 30mins, 1hr, or 2hrs (or 4hrs both ways) to work with their car, via bus or train, and saves them money and time as they can go to their PC and start working immediately. How is this a bad thing? It ain't. Bosses and managers probably feel like they can't physically control (or even put employees under pressure) for doing the job they're paid to.

So, if Elon Musk ends up on destroying Twitter to the ground, I don't mind that one bit considering it was a pile of shit before he even owned it. And I never really liked the guy considering he wants to make hybrid humans.



That's actually already a thing:



No thanks.

 

[FAST6191]

I see some people are against remote working, but do they understand why they dislike it? Can they explain why?

With remote work, employees don't need to travel 30mins, 1hr, or 2hrs (or 4hrs both ways) to work with their car, via bus or train, and saves them money and time as they can go to their PC and start working immediately. How is this a bad thing? It ain't. Bosses and managers probably feel like they can't physically control (or even put employees under pressure) for doing the job they're paid to.

There are pluses and there are negatives from where I sit, and not all pluses. Lack of commute time being in the plus category.

Remote pressure is very much a thing, and almost the default; mouse monitors and commit logs (or ticket closing metrics), never mind webcam/internal CCTV always available, were once the domain of the seriously paranoid and overbearing company, today they seem to be if not the default then unremarkable. Compared to having a boss crack a whip every other day by getting up from their desk.

At the same time if something can be remote then seems like a very reasonable line in the sand for a would be employee or a once remote employee to have. I don't particularly favour the odds of most individuals not being the ones to blink in a standoff but that is a different matter. If I can do things remotely then I have done for a number of years now (some remarked the shift to remote work courtesy of stay in your home citizen must have been good for you, I note that I set it up for my various clients 10 years earlier if not longer so I did bugger all really), though that is not always an option (control of a robot or puppet controlling a human, possibly the client themselves, to get them to diagnose and fix things, assuming they even have my tools, my dexterity and my strength, is harder than not at present).

Negatives would include lack of collaboration (more than a few problems get solved and business ideas get thrashed out yelling/wandering across the office, in the break room, messing around while other tasks are waiting to be completed), data security issues, data transmission issues, lack of work culture (the very same problems kids have with not being in school or only in very small schools applies here as well and internet is a woeful replacement. I say this being very much of the work is where I earn my money and get out persuasion and same for school), lack of fitness (climbing up and down stairs, or getting up to get things, and maybe padding to the kitchen means the waistlines of many since remote have gone up rather more than years prior), it being the mostly self motivated that work really well in this scenario (which is not most people), we had seen subcontracting problem prior to this but it was usually limited to expert IT types before, costs for the company are not necessarily cheaper (though fancy laptop plus cheap mobile phone/SIP setup + small office or even rent by the hour vs desktop + large office lease is probably favouring the former in many scenarios).

Assuming I were to take a job that saw me able to work remotely (doubtful but there is enough I do that I could, or could pivot to, if I had to) then for the two identical jobs one remote, one even we are compelling you to come in for more than special occasions is remote all day long, and equally support those being all second word is off to those trying to claw people back in (hope you have that backup plan or minimal enough expenses for it to matter). However a claim of it to be an unambiguous or at least not highly situational positive is harder to get to.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...gineers-who-call-him-out-online?sref=dZ65CIng

genius
tl;dr
Elon fires two senior employee's who publically call him out on his bullshit regarding how the platform actually works.

 

[sombrerosonic]

IF twitter dies off, were all be better

 

[mrdude]

Not surprising at all, Musk has always relied on the knowledge and talent of others to keep him afloat. Whenever he pitches and implements one of his own "brilliant" ideas, it's a total shitshow and/or dumpster fire.

This post is kind of retarded. How do you think a business works?

For example, if you want to start a lumber devilery company.

1: You need someone to cut the trees down and then to load them on a truck and then a driver to take them to your lumber mill.
2: You need staff to work at the mill to mill the wood, do the taxes, health and saftey rep, wages, etc.....
3: You then need people to deliver the wood to peoples homes, buisiness places etc.

In the end for example you might need 20+ people, in your mind you need the knowledge and talent of others to keep you afloat, well yes of course you do - this is how ALL businesses that employ 1 or more people works.

Also let's take a look at Elon Musk shall we:
1: Richest man on the planet.
2: Google "Elon musk top ten achievements"

Now take a look at yourself, apart from ranting about random stuff on the internet, what have you done that's made many people's lives better? It's easy to criticise others and we can all do that, but when we look in the mirror are we just sad at how our own lives are and always comparing ourselves to others?

Insead of whining about Elon Musk, why not start your own company and employ many people - then in ten years time come back and tell us all how easy it was to do, and see if you still have the same mentality as you do today.

 

[Xzi]

Also let's take a look at Elon Musk shall we:
1: Richest man on the planet.
2: Google "Elon musk top ten achievements"

Totally missing the point that Musk is entirely without humility and his biggest achievements are claiming credit for others' achievements. He was born rich and so he'll die rich, that doesn't make him particularly remarkable in our trickle-up economy. Billionaire worship is vomit-inducing.

 

[The Catboy]

Watching Musk run Twitter be like

 

[mrdude]

Totally missing the point that Musk is entirely without humility and his biggest achievements are claiming credit for others' achievements. He was born rich and so he'll die rich, that doesn't make him particularly remarkable in our trickle-up economy. Billionaire worship is vomit-inducing.

Haha, yes alright then - he let Ukraine use his starlink satellite system for free which is costing him 10's of millions $. He's made electric cars for all the people whinging about carbon emissions. Has Telsa roofs, power walls etc so that people can create there own green energy.... Has created a company which uses reusable space rockets....

Hmmmm, now tell me what you have done for humanity??????? Out of Elon or you, I guess I would pick Elon 100000 Billion times out of 100000 Billion times.

 

[The Catboy]

Haha, yes alright then - he let Ukraine use his starlink satellite system for free which is costing him 10's of millions $. He's made electric cars for all the people whinging about carbon emissions. Has Telsa roofs, power walls etc so that people can create there own green energy.... Has created a company which uses reusable space rockets....

Hmmmm, now tell me what you have done for humanity??????? Out of Elon or you, I guess I would pick Elon 100000 Billion times out of 100000 Billion times.

He didn’t actually create any of things nor really the majority of companies and projects that he’s often credited for running. He just used his dad’s Emerald mine money to buy everything.

 

[mrdude]

He didn’t actually create any of things nor really the majority of companies and projects that he’s often credited for running. He just used his dad’s Emerald mine money to buy everything.

Hmmm information from a dude that thinks he's a cat.....

You despise the guy so much that you can't come to terms with all his accomplishments. I don't recall any single person in my lifetime that has achieved the amount of things that he has. He might of started his business empire with the help of his family, but in his own right he has made himself the richest person on the planet and has done more for humanity than any other single person on the planet.

As for twatter - good, finally the left will be called out for their hypocrisy, I don't have an account there as I don't care about the views of others, especially some of the weirdo's that frequent that platform.

 

[The Catboy]

Hmmm information from a dude that thinks he's a cat.....

You despise the guy so much that you can't come to terms with all his accomplishments. I don't recall any single person in my lifetime that has achieved the amount of things that he has. He might of started his business empire with the help of his family, but in his own right he has made himself the richest person on the planet and has done more for humanity than any other single person on the planet.

As for twatter - good, finally the left will be called out for their hypocrisy, I don't have an account there as I don't care about the views of others, especially some of the weirdo's that frequent that platform.

Please actually go outside and maybe roll around in some grass

 

[mrdude]

Please actually go outside and maybe roll around in some grass

If you're unable to think and act like and adult and debate about things with people outside of your echo chamber you should probably stick to talking to your cats or your green haired fan club because rational people will just ignore you (which I am sure you are used to).

 

[sombrerosonic]

Please actually go outside and maybe roll around in some grass

Just did today, felt great! Thanks.

 

[Deleted member 194275]

Elon Musk made a subway line on Las Vegas, but instead of a vehicle able to carry hundreds of people, he put vehicles able to carry 4 people, then he removed the rails, so the subway now needs a driver and go through the tunnel in a super slow speed, then he added RGB to the tunnel just because.

Why do people still care about him? He has the billions or whatever, but sometimes people are super lucky in this world, and money is not life score anyway.