Hacking Discussion Isn't anyone else here SERIOUSLY concerned for Nintendo or indie devs?

[WaveSmash]

We can tell they are worried and paying close attention. They really should be. Every console can EASILY run Homebrew applications and soon backups or a freeShop situation. Hell I used a paperclip to get into RCM. It's been happening since the Wii and shows no sign of stopping. I don't think Rei should release that XCI dumper/installer. It's a stupid slippery slope that could seriously harm Nintendo.

CONSIDER THIS
The Switch is currently in it's prime. The old consoles didn't get open piracy or real Homebrew development until well into their overall lifespan. The Switch is getting it NOW. Only 2 years in. Most sales will be made around this time and most switch owners will be looking into Homebrew if it's so widespread and so stupidly easy to pull off.

 

[djp-AKA-bionic]

maybe 10,000 pirates, who werent going to buy a game anyways, compared to 18,000,000 switches sold, its not a drop in the bucket to them.

 

[APartOfMe]

piracy didn't harm nintendo in the wii/wii u/3ds eras, what makes you think that this will be any different?

 

[Shanester]

nah.

 

[jakkal]

Oh the indie devs
What are they gonna do??????

The humanity

They'll be fine.

 

[WaveSmash]

maybe 10,000 pirates, who weren't going to buy a game anyways, compared to 18,000,000 switches sold, its not a drop in the bucket to them.

I like to think the same way, but consider how easy it is. 10,000 isn't a realistic number of possible pirates.

 

[Deleted-442439]

Well this thread is going to be a mess....

Piracy has been a thing since the video games inseption and although it is a issue, the reports on the topic show little impact on companies.

Anti piracy measures are getting more advanced all the time, just from Wii U to Switch we have seen several mitigations against it, I would not worry that much.

 

[011.guilherme]

Some dude posted this on another on another topic around here. Maybe you'll find this interesting

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2017...acy-doesnt-hurt-game-sales-may-actually-help/

 

[WaveSmash]

piracy didn't harm nintendo in the wii/wii u/3ds eras, what makes you think that this will be any different?

Because it's SUPER easy, and right now is the Switch's PRIME. Most sales are from launch to only a year or two from now. Those consoles took until nearly the end of their lifetimes to get cracked into the same way.

 

[APartOfMe]

Well this thread is going to be a mess....

Piracy has been a thing since the video games inseption and although it is a issue, the reports on the topic show little impact on companies.

Anti piracy measures are getting more advanced all the time, just from Wii U to Switch we have seen several mitigations against it, I would not worry that much.

^ this. piracy's been an issue since the beginning. Especially considering how large of a company ninty is, i doubt nintendo will be effected by piracy

 

[Kioku]

Oh dear god. Do some research on this damn topic. It's been rehashed and reiterated so many god damned times. PIRACY DOESN'T HURT CONSOLE SALES.

 

[Kise_Ryota]

No.

 

[Deleted-442439]

Because it's SUPER easy, and right now is the Switch's PRIME. Most sales are from launch to only a year or two from now. Those consoles took until nearly the end of their lifetimes to get cracked into the same way.

Ehm no, Gateway was released in 2014, in the 3DS's prime, and loadliine was a thing on the Wii U very early. They arguably had easier methods of execution compared to getting into RCM on Switch.

As a indie dev myself (not for Switch obviously) I am not very worried, most end users will purchase cheap indie tiles, it's usually the more expensive $60 that get pirated.

 

[Sonic Angel Knight]

If there is more people buying games than people not buying it, then the only problem is the people making it losing potential sales.

 

[APartOfMe]

Because it's SUPER easy, and right now is the Switch's PRIME. Most sales are from launch to only a year or two from now. Those consoles took until nearly the end of their lifetimes to get cracked into the same way.

so? a sale is a sale. Nintendo would earn the same amount of money whether you bought a game now or 3 years from now. The time that people pirate games wont effect anything. Even if 1% of people pirate games, that's not going to effect nintendo

 

[WaveSmash]

Oh dear god. Do some research on this damn topic. It's been rehashed and reiterated so many god damned times. PIRACY DOESN'T HURT CONSOLE SALES.

I'm talking about game sales. Consoles will sell well or even better with piracy. But you can buy a Switch for $300 and pirate 1000's+ worth of games.

 

[xpoverzion]

We can tell they are worried and paying close attention. They really should be. Every console can EASILY run Homebrew applications and soon backups or a freeShop situation. Hell I used a paperclip to get into RCM. It's been happening since the Wii and shows no sign of stopping. I don't think Rei should release that XCI dumper/installer. It's a stupid slippery slope that could seriously harm Nintendo.

I'm not worried for Nintendo. Only about 1-2% of the world pirates anything. Whether that be video games, music, movies, etc... Content and hardware providers want you to think otherwise since they are greedy, filthy, human beings like the rest of use. The reason why it's only 1-2% is because it usually takes a high, to advanced knowledge of computers to hack anything in the world. 99% of the population doesn't even know the difference between a .exe file and a .rar file. Even very well layed out turorials are more trouble than it's worth for 99% of the population. Nintendo made about 1.2 billion in profit last year. Let's be liberal and say that 2% of switches and associated games will be pirated by the aformentioned very few. 2% of $1.2 billion is $25 million. Another perspective is to imagine that you have $100 in your pocket. Is it the end of the world, and the demise of your finacial situation if you lose $2, and only have $98 at the end of the day? Sure Nintendo should work hard to secure their systems, and maximize profit. But, if a system is broken wide open for piracy, the losses to Nintendo are practically negligeable. Oh, and of course the same numbers apply to game developers as well. So, in the end, don't lose any sleep over it, and enjoy the fact that you have a certain knowledge that 99% of the population does not have.

 

[WaveSmash]

so? a sale is a sale. Nintendo would earn the same amount of money whether you bought a game now or 3 years from now. The time that people pirate games wont effect anything. Even if 1% of people pirate games, that's not going to effect nintendo

By that I mean it's easy and will spread WAY faster. Resulting in more pirated copies by orders of magnitude.

 

[Kioku]

I'm talking about game sales. Consoles will sell well or even better with piracy. But you can buy a Switch for $300 and pirate 1000's+ worth of games.

No, Nintendo won't suffer. No, game devs won't suffer. If the game is worth anything, it'll sell. The 3DS with Pokemon is great example of this.

 

[APartOfMe]

I'm talking about game sales. Consoles will sell well or even better with piracy. But you can buy a Switch for $300 and pirate 1000's+ worth of games.

let's be honest here. If I'm going to pirate a game, i probably wouldn't have bought it in the first place.