Isn't it hypocritical to force people to take jobs while unemployed?

[Skelletonike]

What happens is that people end up mooching off of the government, like filthy parasites.
I know people that have been unemployed for over 10 years because they didn't want to do a job "beneath them". They have no problems asking for free stuff from the government and institutions though.

If someone is physically capable, they should get a job, if they can't afford expenses with the current job, either lower your expenses by getting something cheaper, sharing rent, or get a better job. Most people don't "wait" for a better job, they work for it.

 

[Nightwish]

I hate to do this, but if you want to know about this subject just look at the crude realities of italian and german history of the early 20th century.

Dear Loki. If that's the argument, it worked much better in the backwater where the state gave back a bunch of things that made them better off and more productive.
It still didn't work in the long term because both freedom and material well-being are kind of important for innovation.
But even disregarding that, I find it hard to believe you'd recommend the economic interventionism that made it work at all.

 

[Creamu]

Dear Loki. If that's the argument,

Obviously not an argument, a direction.

freedom and material well-being are kind of important for innovation.

An example for this?

But even disregarding that, I find it hard to believe you'd recommend the economic interventionism that made it work at all.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Nightwish]

An example? Life. Try to be creative with little money while thinking how are you going to pay medical bills and feed your kids and pay rent, and you might find yourself a little bit distracted, even if you sleep well and the medical issue is actually solved.

As to history, I'll leave it historians, it's well documented. And in digestible free format.

 

[Creamu]

An example? Life. Try to be creative with little money while thinking how are you going to pay medical bills and feed your kids and pay rent, and you might find yourself a little bit distracted, even if you sleep well and the medical issue is actually solved.

As to history, I'll leave it historians, it's well documented. And in digestible free format.

Desperate coherent groups are able to move mountains. Look how japan built their mercilessly bombarded country back up.

Individualism in its contemporary conception and wellbeing, is embodied by the US baby boomer generation. Frankly noone is impressed.

 

[Xerokard]

For frame of context. Most of the strongest people against socialism or communism. (as a reminder i am an anarcho communist. Stalin/Lennism can go to hell) State that communism selects your job, and you have no control.... (even though that's usually lennism/authoritarian communism)
Meanwhile in our society in the United States those same people are essentially doing the exact thing they criticize.
where minimum wage is definitely not enough for rent, electric and utilizes, car insurance, food, and internet, oh and also health insurance and supposed to have savings.
and many companies still pay a below living wage/near or at minimum wage. The government is now forcing people who are on unemployment for any reason, to take the next immediate job or loose unemployment benefits, which means... loosing the lights.
So either you can't keep, or barely can keep the lights on with unemployment (since it pays higher than the garbage minimum wage), and the moment you find a job, and it pays 8.25. (Unemployment is roughly about 9-10 dollars an hour) Your essentially fucked, You can't wait for a higher paying job, your forced into the lower paying one. How is this not the EXACT complaint people against Socialism/Communism make. The government is straight up forcing you into a job you do not want.

So you want things given to you, just for being alive. How pathetic. If you want anything in life, you need to earn it. No one owes you a damn thing for simply existing.

 

[sombrerosonic]

It sounds like this thread got filled with fucking bots

 

[AncientBoi]

For frame of context. Most of the strongest people against socialism or communism. (as a reminder i am an anarcho communist. Stalin/Lennism can go to hell) State that communism selects your job, and you have no control.... (even though that's usually lennism/authoritarian communism)
Meanwhile in our society in the United States those same people are essentially doing the exact thing they criticize.
where minimum wage is definitely not enough for rent, electric and utilizes, car insurance, food, and internet, oh and also health insurance and supposed to have savings.
and many companies still pay a below living wage/near or at minimum wage. The government is now forcing people who are on unemployment for any reason, to take the next immediate job or loose unemployment benefits, which means... loosing the lights.
So either you can't keep, or barely can keep the lights on with unemployment (since it pays higher than the garbage minimum wage), and the moment you find a job, and it pays 8.25. (Unemployment is roughly about 9-10 dollars an hour) Your essentially fucked, You can't wait for a higher paying job, your forced into the lower paying one. How is this not the EXACT complaint people against Socialism/Communism make. The government is straight up forcing you into a job you do not want.

It's even worse when one is Homeless, and can't clean up. Especially when you work right next to others and they STARE at you to no end with disdain, even though you are doing your Job, and doing it correctly.

 

[sombrerosonic]

This thread made less scene the more i read.

The Unemployment benefit was suppost to keep food/rent on the table while you look for another job, it was never suppost to be permament (and 26 weeks is pretty generous).

I mean, people would be lazy all the time if they didn't need to work and could just file for unemployment.

 

[crimson826]

Until we got fully autonomous androids who can do all the shit jobs that nobody wants to do, you can't have a functioning society without people in these positions. And if people are paid to sit on their ass, then nobody will do these jobs.

Some type of system where autonomous androids do all the shit jobs, while humans collect a dividend check could work at some point, just not right now.

I wouldn't work a shit job just to be overtaxed so someone else can sit on their ass and get free gibs, and neither would most others. I would come up with some sort of excuse in order to not work, and step into the free check line.

 

[MDP]

Dumbass liberal, learn to get off benefits and work for once.

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It's even worse when one is Homeless, and can't clean up

Homeless people are fucking lazy slobs. They should know better and work for a change

 

[crimson826]

People, especially those of low skill and education are going to have to do whatever jobs they can find that pay the bills. And this also goes for people with degrees in fields that there's little demand for, or are extremely competitive fields.

Listen kiddies, part of being an adult is accepting the fact that you have to work or do something to generate income, and for many this means working a job that you don't like. I know people who work in the medical field who loathe it, but those are high paying jobs that you will never get laid off in, regardless of the economy.

Figuring out a way to make a good living pursuing your passion in life is a pie in the sky for all but a few fortunate individuals who've somehow managed to do it. Regular people have to work jobs they don't like, this is just a fact, so find a way to cope like everyone else.

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

I just like money. I like the satisfaction of even something I hate like paying bills. It makes you feel good to know that you can take care of yourself. There is pride in being responsible and trustworthy.

I remember how proud I was every month when I got my first place, just to pay my electric bill and cover my rent. Made me feel like a man. Like an adult.

That wears off after awhile, but I have never lost my sense of pride when I know I can handle all of my bills, without asking for help. Knowing that if I want to drop a few hundred bucks on even some bullshit spurious purchase, I CAN, without asking.

I am not rich, but I earned everything I have, and that's something I can feel good about.

 

[Marc_LFD]

I just like money.

By "money" do you mean cash or digits/ledger going to your bank account? It's just that with cash you can physically hold your money.

And there's a new-ish currency coming...



(They showed all pros, but no cons)

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

By "money" do you mean cash or digits/ledger going to your bank account? It's just that with cash you can physically hold your money.

And there's a new-ish currency coming...



(They showed all pros, but no cons)

Since I live in the exact moment I am alive, and since we are using the American dollar as of May 11th of 2023, I am stacking as much of those dollars as I can, because this is the world currency ever since we went off the gold standard.

The future is the future. RIGHT NOW, every person on the planet wants more American dollars. So do I. Get back to me when we switch currencies and I will want that, instead.

 

[Marc_LFD]

Since I live in the exact moment I am alive, and since we are using the American dollar as of May 11th of 2023, I am stacking as much of those dollars as I can, because this is the world currency ever since we went off the gold standard.

The future is the future. RIGHT NOW, every person on the planet wants more American dollars. So do I. Get back to me when we switch currencies and I will want that, instead.

You will? Well, that's your decision.

Regards.

 

[WalterSlovotsky]

You will? Well, that's your decision.

Regards.

Well, yeah... I will want whatever form of currency that the world is using, and as much of it as I can get.

Where is the confusion, here?