Ivermectin proves ineffective against covid 19

[lolcatzuru]

Only someone completely blinded by nationalism would be foolish enough to claim that capitalism is a flawless system. Nothing created by humans is perfect.


Conspiracy has a very concise legal definition. "An agreement between two or more persons to engage jointly in an unlawful or criminal act, or an act that is innocent in itself but becomes unlawful when done by the combination of actors."

A conspiracy theory is nothing more than that, a theory that a conspiracy has occurred or is occurring, but with none of the facts or evidence to support it. If the only people you're capable of convincing exist in an echo chamber like Facebook or 4Chan, it's never gonna gain any ground with the mainstream, let alone anyone with two skeptical brain cells to rub together.

Well doesn't that apply to the liberal echo chamber too?

 

[lolcatzuru]

Nope, wasn't even pretending to be. That is literally the claim made by conspiracy theorists: that Hunter Biden flew two states over to give his laptop to an electronics repair shop nowhere close to where he lives or works. Not my fault if you weren't up to speed on the latest batshit insane theories circulating among your kin.

Except, like or not, he did do that, a liberal news source which is the only credible news sources naturally, confirmed it was his. This s a really key problem because now the burden of proof to say " no no no they nyt is alt righters, here why" falls onto you, and the clincher, you are trapped between truth and fantasy xur world

 

[lolcatzuru]

Just funny to see someone dead set on believing these conspiracy theories, despite all the evidence saying otherwise, asking others what is it going to take to change their mind.

Unless you are talking about the price of ivermectin, it can cost far more than $20.

Does it cost 700 dollars per pill? If so link?

 

[smf]

That's debatable. It is believed by many scientists that the people in areas that have high amounts of parasitic infections may do better because of immunosuppression preventing cytokine storms. It will take a while to figure out all the nuances to tell what really helped or hindered recovery because of all of the variables.

How many scientists?

It's an interesting thought, but isn't cytokine storms a common symptom in places that don't have high amounts of parasitic infections?

 

[smf]

Except, like or not, he did do that, a liberal news source which is the only credible news sources naturally, confirmed it was his. This s a really key problem because now the burden of proof to say " no no no they nyt is alt righters, here why" falls onto you, and the clincher, you are trapped between truth and fantasy xur world

Did he? The person who received the laptops is legally blind and cannot identify the person who dropped them off.

 

[NoobletCheese]

This article claims "the percentage of vaccinated participants in each group was not specified".

But honestly I'm not bothered if people think it works or not. People swear by all kinds of odd things and I'm not bothered by that.

But I am bothered if people interfere in other people's private business. Like pharmacists not filling scripts because they think they know better than the treating doctor. Or government regulators banning drugs because they might cause people to not take other drugs (the two aren't mutually exclusive).

And then there's Remdesivir: 1 study of 1063 patients showing 31% improvement for Covid. Status: FDA approved ✓

 

[lolcatzuru]

Did he? The person who received the laptops is legally blind and cannot identify the person who dropped them off.

Well a liberal news source said it and we know they don't lie! Plus I assume those leaked photos are shoops. And the laptop Giuliani had also fake, please stop backing yourself into a corner

 

[lolcatzuru]

This article claims "the percentage of vaccinated participants in each group was not specified".

But honestly I'm not bothered if people think it works or not. People swear by all kinds of odd things and I'm not bothered by that.

But I am bothered if people interfere in other people's private business. Like pharmacists not filling scripts because they think they know better than the treating doctor. Or government regulators banning drugs because they might cause people to not take other drugs (the two aren't mutually exclusive).

And then there's Remdesivir: 1 study of 1063 patients showing 31% improvement for Covid. Status: FDA approved ✓

Whoa careful we don't like logic around these parts

 

[smf]

Well a liberal news source said it and we know they don't lie! Plus I assume those leaked photos are shoops. And the laptop Giuliani had also fake, please stop backing yourself into a corner

What corner?

I am not talking about whether the laptop is his, I'm asking what evidence you have that it was him that took it there and left it.

 

[smf]

Or government regulators banning drugs because they might cause people to not take other drugs (the two aren't mutually exclusive).

And then there's Remdesivir: 1 study of 1063 patients showing 31% improvement for Covid. Status: FDA approved ✓

Ivermectin was never approved for treating covid 19 and in controlled tests it showed it didn't work, doctors can be crackpots too. So what do you do? Let them prescribe whatever quack snake oil they want, which at best does nothing and at worst will harm you. Or tell them not to prescribe it?

Mistakes were made over Remdesivir

 

[lolcatzuru]

What corner?

I am not talking about whether the laptop is his, I'm asking what evidence you have that it was him that took it there and left it.

I never ever said that,ever. Iirc I think it was an aide or secret service member, or a dealer he traded it too, idk why the fake presidents son would go himself, and it doesn't matter, it can still be one he used.

 

[lolcatzuru]

Ivermectin was never approved for treating covid 19 and in controlled tests it showed it didn't work, doctors can be crackpots too. So what do you do? Let them prescribe whatever quack snake oil they want, which at best does nothing and at worst will harm you. Or tell them not to prescribe it?

Mistakes were made over Remdesivir

Yes. You THE FUCKING PEOPKE DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT, my body my choice right? Esd

 

[smf]

I never ever said that,ever. Iirc I think it was an aide or secret service member, or a dealer he traded it too, idk why the fake presidents son would go himself, and it doesn't matter, it can still be one he used.

Xzi said "that Hunter Biden flew two states over to give his laptop to an electronics repair shop nowhere close to where he lives or works. "

You replied: "Except, like or not, he did do that,"

So I'm kinda figuring that your denial "I never ever said that,ever." is a little odd.

Whomever took the laptop there clearly was expecting that the information on it would be released to the public, so I'm not sure why an aid or secret service member would have taken it there.

Fake president? Biden IS president.

Hunter Biden may have used it, he may not. Even if it was his, then it would mean that someone other than Hunter Biden had access to it. Meaning that files may have been changed, removed or added after it left his possession.

I'm not entirely sure what is on it that is such a big deal.

It could easily be a laptop that Hunter Biden had never touched, that was filled with files stolen from him and mixed with the files that they wanted to be found and attributed to him.

 

[lolcatzuru]

Xzi said "that Hunter Biden flew two states over to give his laptop to an electronics repair shop nowhere close to where he lives or works. "

You replied: "Except, like or not, he did do that,"

So I'm kinda figuring that your denial "I never ever said that,ever." is a little odd.

Whomever took the laptop there clearly was expecting that the information on it would be released to the public, so I'm not sure why an aid or secret service member would have taken it there.

Fake president? Biden IS president.

Hunter Biden may have used it, he may not. Even if it was his, then it would mean that someone other than Hunter Biden had access to it. Meaning that files may have been changed, removed or added after it left his possession.

I'm not entirely sure what is on it that is such a big deal.

you can admonish me for missing what the terminator said earlier, far be it for me to miss something a liberal robot says, but sure, he couldve done that, maybe he was buy crack too.

"Whomever took the laptop there clearly was expecting that the information on it would be released to the public, so I'm not sure why an aid or secret service member would have taken it there." listen to me, seriously genuinely, get help, ill pay for it, if you think for one second that they thought that a random repair man would come forward with this is obvious, you have a and i have to be pc here " neurodivergence" and should get that looked at. If this were true and that obvious, wouldnt we be hearing dirt on tons of big shots all the time? i dont see any dirt on koala harris, or jenn pataki or anyone like that, but i am open to maybe missing something.

Right of course he is, the ballot fairy helped him win, in the most free and fair election ever.

heres the thing i really wanna focus on though, and i know you wont because you are petrified so you are gonna pick everything else apart

the point is he MIGHT has used it, so the information in it MIGHT be related to him, which may me he DID make overseas business deals while his dad was VP, we dont know, thats literally, and again, please ill pay for it so get help THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT, just because you dont like it, doesnt make it russian propaganda or untrue, but im under the assumption you are a flat earther am i right?

 

[The Catboy]

Well a liberal news source said it and we know they don't lie! Plus I assume those leaked photos are shoops. And the laptop Giuliani had also fake, please stop backing yourself into a corner

What Liberal news source said it?

 

[Xzi]

Well doesn't that apply to the liberal echo chamber too?

Yes, Facebook can also be that, but you don't see a whole lot of baseless conspiracy theories coming from those. Mostly they just mock Republicans for being seventy years out of touch with the mainstream and/or deride them for authoritarian behavior.

Except, like or not, he did do that, a liberal news source which is the only credible news sources naturally, confirmed it was his.

If anything about the laptop story was "confirmed," Hunter Biden would be facing criminal charges right now. I wouldn't hold my breath over it.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

And, I quote: "Of course, confirmation of this statement requires human studies and clinical trials."
Unsurprisingly, said human clinical trials showed little to no effect in the actual conditions of a human treatment.

He ridiculed people who thought Ivermectin could have antiviral properties. It does have them.
Whether it helps against COVID is not conclusive. Another study shows a high effectiveness, though the sample size was also rather low. The problem of this study has been mentioned by others. The biggest one (in my view): how late it was given (and that the patients were treated differently and could figure out whether they were given a placebo).

 

[cracker]

How many scientists?

It's an interesting thought, but isn't cytokine storms a common symptom in places that don't have high amounts of parasitic infections?

I can't enumerate how many believe it, but here is a research paper on it. I'm not sure if scientists have really gone in depth before about the effects of a co-infection with a parasite. It will interesting to see if it holds true.

 

[smf]

I can't enumerate how many believe it, but here is a research paper on it. I'm not sure if scientists have really gone in depth before about the effects of a co-infection with a parasite. It will interesting to see if it holds true.

This is what I was getting at, if people most at risk from covid 19 have pre-existing conditions then treating them for that condition would be a good thing. Ivermectin is a treatment for parasitic infections.

Treating everyone for random undiagnosed conditions, when there is a risk for every treatment, would seem to be unwise.

He ridiculed people who thought Ivermectin could have antiviral properties. It does have them.
Whether it helps against COVID is not conclusive. Another study shows a high effectiveness, though the sample size was also rather low. The problem of this study has been mentioned by others. The biggest one (in my view): how late it was given (and that the patients were treated differently and could figure out whether they were given a placebo).

What do you mean by "antiviral properties"? What testing was done, were there any flaws in the testing?

listen to me, seriously genuinely, get help, ill pay for it, if you think for one second that they thought that a random repair man would come forward with this is obvious, you have a and i have to be pc here " neurodivergence" and should get that looked at. If this were true and that obvious, wouldnt we be hearing dirt on tons of big shots all the time? i dont see any dirt on koala harris, or jenn pataki or anyone like that, but i am open to maybe missing something.

listen to me, seriously genuinely, get help, I won't pay for it, if you think for one second that whomever took the laptop to this guy didn't expect him to come forward.

We don't hear dirt on tons of big shots, because they aren't stupid enough to take laptops to random repair men.
Other people aren't so intelligent https://abc7chicago.com/robert-watson-des-moines-iowa-child-porn/5284651

You are missing something.

I wonder why a repair man bothered to look through the data, take a copy, alert the FBI and when they seize the laptop, give the copy to Rudy Giuliani. It kinda sounds planned. It's also rather convenient it was a legally blind repair man who can't say that it was Hunter Biden, only that the person said their name was Hunter Biden and wrote that down.

Whether any individual email is real or not is irrelevant as it's tainted, however the FBI are using it to investigate and may find corroborating evidence.

Right of course he is, the ballot fairy helped him win, in the most free and fair election ever.

heres the thing i really wanna focus on though, and i know you wont because you are petrified so you are gonna pick everything else apart

the point is he MIGHT has used it, so the information in it MIGHT be related to him, which may me he DID make overseas business deals while his dad was VP, we dont know, thats literally, and again, please ill pay for it so get help THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT, just because you dont like it, doesnt make it russian propaganda or untrue, but im under the assumption you are a flat earther am i right?

It appears that it was the most free and fair election ever, small numbers of fraud and mistakes didn't make any difference to the result. The evidence that you and your crackpots were throwing around was fake and based on misidentifying people.

You come across as pretty unstable, but also pretty rude. I'm not sure if you think this makes you effective in discussions, but I can assure you it does not.


It doesn't matter if he "MIGHT" have used it, that is not evidence. It is pure propaganda to try to keep the deluded engaged.

We know that Russia hacked Hilary Clinton, why not Hunter Biden? You know, they "MIGHT" have. Is that not good enough for you? It seems it is when it's something you believe, just not when it's something you don't. As if you have different standards for evidence for things based on your own belief. You might not realize how disastrous that is for your ability to identify what is actually true or not.

No, I'm not a flat earther, you are more likely to be one out of the two of us. Your thought process would be "Hey, it "MIGHT" be flat, the elite "MIGHT" be trying to fake the evidence".

Anyway, you seem to have gone from "It was definitely Hunter that took it to the shop" to "I never said that, it was likely an aide or secret service" to "We don't know if it's his laptop, but it might be".

You seem to be agreeing with me now anyway, I have no idea whose laptop it is or if Hunter Biden ever used it. For all I know, it "MIGHT" be yours. The contents might lead the FBI to some criminal activity or not, but it's not going to convict him of anything on it's own. You could scribble "I done it, signed Hunter Biden" and post it to the FBI and it would be as useful as evidence.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

What do you mean by "antiviral properties"? What testing was done, were there any flaws in the testing?

That it fights a virus within the body of mammals. I was just quoting pubmed.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32533071/