New UK Prime Minister. 2022 edition. Liz Truss, conservative.

[Dark_Ansem]

More people live here since Brexit - we have loads or illegals that have invaded our country from "war torn" French beaches. Maybe try sending them back to France so we can spend the money they are costing us on other things. There's also the strain they are putting on our resources and infrastructure - such as the extra sewage they are making.

EU immigrants were the only people who weren't a drain on public finances. Enjoy the extra immigration from India, Pakistan etc.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Yeah, people have been screaming about it since last year but Boris never did anything so she at least gets some credit. However, Labour's idea was to get the extra money from taxing the £170 billion excess profits the companies are due to make over the next 2 years and instead Liz is going to increase our national debt by over £100 billion to give handouts to the poor companies to compensate them for the reduced profits. Which means that working people will end up paying it back.

That's Tory ImBrexile for you: cheap knockoffs paraded as quality!

 

[Deleted member 608654]

In a somewhat surprising turn of events the new UK prime minister (last one outed after some fairly minor scandals actually which was impressive given what he got away with previously) and leader of conservative party is Liz Truss. Most would not have bet on her after initial rounds of candidates were put forward a few months back, and even after they got whittled down she was still somewhat lower on the odds.

Pick any news site and you can probably find a dozen articles
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62596329
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...omes-uk-prime-minister-meeting-queen-balmoral
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11184991/Truss-shakes-hands-Queen-official-takes-PM.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/politics/19720415/liz-truss-is-officially-prime-minister/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-johnson-queen-balmoral-latest-b2160693.html
https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...son-speech-tory-leadership-new-prime-minister
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/liz-truss-live-prime-minister-27916442
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/06/liz-...to-officially-become-prime-minister-17308571/
...

Previous posts were some reasonably notable ones, though none of the major ones people might well know the names for, some have dubbed her a conservative in name only (though that/the ? in name only could apply to any number of political movers, and most of the candidates of everything these days) and rather tepid as these things go (time will tell as to whether she is as weak as Teresa May, not the previous prime minister but the one before that. Those expecting any kind of firebrand or populist are probably going to be disappointed, not that any populist anywhere in the world I have seen has done all that much when all is said and done).
If we believe the prime minister has any great powers (possibly more than some countries but hardly that much and still constrained by any number of factors would be my assessment) then it is about 2 years before the next general election*, inflation is out of control (energy bills being the main topic but food is not far behind, though it seems some still believe in modern monetary theory and more money is to be printed), the popularity boost that saw the so called red wall drop last time is minimal (and the local elections that have happened since, consider something of a bellwether on the way the tide is going have been... not good), the labour party and their leader ( https://gbatemp.net/threads/new-uk-labour-party-main-left-wing-party-leader-keir-starmer.561791/ ) actually seem to be getting something gone (though as a coalition of unions, old school working class**, literal communists, the intersectionals, default opposition and one or two more classical labour types then many masters do not a cohesive vision make) , the leaving the EU lark is still having a bit of a hangover (especially as it pertains to the whole country of countries thing) and the UK is still suffering from being a first world nation after industry has gone, nowhere near enough housing has been built for decades, something of a divided political system and while not quite as much of a carte blanche as after the last general election then still a fairly decent majority ( https://www.parallelparliament.co.uk/MPs , of the 650 MPs, of which 639 vote then Conservative (357), Labour (200), Scottish National Party (44), Liberal Democrat (14)).

*UK general elections are sometimes a bit different to elsewhere in the world. These days they are nominally on a schedule but they can be called outside that, as indeed the last one was.

**arguably what left them with the fall of the red wall mentioned.

The result was announced yesterday, but known before hand.

Liz Truss interview


Joy Lycett response to Liz Truss


Joy Lycett response to Rishi Sunak


And then this happens...

I admire many British inventions, the steam engine, the telephone and the world wide web.
But British tabloids are a mistake.

 

[smf]

I admire many British inventions, the steam engine, the telephone and the world wide web.
But British tabloids are a mistake.

You forgot the jet engine & computer programming.

 

[mrdude]

I admire many British inventions, the steam engine, the telephone and the world wide web.
But British tabloids are a mistake.

Also abolishing slavery, the industrial revolution and many, many other things!

 

[Deleted member 608654]

You forgot the jet engine & computer programming.

Without the steam engine, there probably would be no jet engine.

 

[smf]

Without the steam engine, there probably would be no jet engine.

The jet engine is more related to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barber_(engineer) gas turbine, than the steam engine

FYI The world wide web wasn't the first hyper text system.

 

[Deleted member 608654]

The jet engine is more related to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Barber_(engineer) gas turbine, than the steam engine

FYI The world wide web wasn't the first hyper text system.

I know, but the steam engine laid the groundwork for rapid mass mobility.

 

[smf]

I know, but the steam engine laid the groundwork for rapid mass mobility.

Then the telegraph was more important than the telephone.

You seem to be applying arbitrary conditions & I'm not sure why.

 

[Taleweaver]

Hmm... I missed this thread somehow. But then again... Seeing how nobody even mentions 'Truss' in the last three pages of this thread, i take it I've not missed much.

In a somewhat surprising turn of events the new UK prime minister (last one outed after some fairly minor scandals actually which was impressive given what he got away with previously) and leader of conservative party is Liz Truss. Most would not have bet on her after initial rounds of candidates were put forward a few months back, and even after they got whittled down she was still somewhat lower on the odds.

I know it's easy to say afterward, but i can't say I'm surprised. Heck... I thought Sunak dropped out weeks ago, just not official. Last nail in his coffin was that he was taped saying how he started bringing in more money to the current neighborhood(a posh rich one) that was formerly assigned to a poor one. Because ey... The rich should get richer, right?

No, the only real surprise to me was that BoJo somehow manages to be more popular than either candidate by the people who kicked him out of office in the first place.
Like the UK politics could even become more surrealistic...


So... Liz Truss. Former foreign minister, right? Touted quite a bit on her trade deals with Japan and Australia.
And... well...

Hey @mrdude : are those deals better than under the eu or not? I'd give my opinion, but since I'm from Belgium i apparently support unofficial dictators(1), so... What's your take on it?


(1): of course this would never happen in the UK, as aptly demonstrated by every UK citizen being able to vote for Liz, Rishi or whomever they want...

 

[mrdude]

Hey @mrdude : are those deals better than under the eu or not? I'd give my opinion, but since I'm from Belgium i apparently support unofficial dictators(1), so... What's your take on it?

My take is that you stick to what goes on in your country and I'll pay attention to what goes on in mine, I have no interest in what goes on in corrupt european countries or who the people in those countries vote for, that's up to them - the same as you shouldn't be bothered about us in UK.

 

[Taleweaver]

My take is that you stick to what goes on in your country and I'll pay attention to what goes on in mine, I have no interest in what goes on in corrupt european countries or who the people in those countries vote for, that's up to them - the same as you shouldn't be bothered about us in UK.

Translation: I've got no fucking clue. Gotcha.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Also abolishing slavery

After exploiting it like mad and abolishing it for economic reasons, not because of some sort moral imperative.

 

[mrdude]

After exploiting it like mad and abolishing it for economic reasons, not because of some sort moral imperative.

Your level of ignorance is astounding, it's literally like you have never read a history book or watched a documentary. It's pointless even replying to you to be honest as you're a complete idiot that's full of hate and you come across as one of those perpetual victim mentality types. You should probably read up on the history of slavery in the last 2000 years to better educate yourself on the subject as you don't seem to have any idea about it.

You've probably never heard of the Barbary wars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars

Or white people being enslaved by North Africans & Arabs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery

And you probably don't know that black people have been enslaving each other and selling each other since the begining of recorded history and still do it today in some countries. Or that even today there are an estimated 46 million slaves worldwide - although that figure is most likely higher.

 

[FAST6191]

After exploiting it like mad and abolishing it for economic reasons, not because of some sort moral imperative.

I have very nice political book of what was at the time considerable renown from the late 1700s (which is to say prior to abolition) that goes through the moral reasons for ending it, echoing large tracts of the parliament of the time. Will give it a scan/photo session later as my version seems to be a later one than online with a far expanded take on the subject but https://archive.org/details/principlesofmora00gisb/page/94/mode/2up for a starter though.

The Principles of Moral Philosophy Investigated Gisborne, Thomas, in my case the 1789 version (original was 1785). For timeline 1807 for full abolition, 1792 for the gradual abolition, 1833 for the remaining colonies seeing all slaves compulsory purchased, 1772 for the sometimes misconstrued Lord Mansfield "the air of England is too pure for any slave to breathe" court ruling/pronouncement.

"fuck the French" (while ending slavery is a good plan developmentally/economically in the long run, it does rather stagnate things, then short term immediate removal can have equally deleterious effects, especially to those brought up in the system) is a solid plan in politics then and to this day and almost certainly aided matters along but to say there was no moral component is rather a stretch.

 

[Flame]

I voted for Brexit, so did evey one of my friends and family and so did most of the people in the UK. Get over it - we don't want to be ruled and our laws set by some unelected dictats in Europe that never grew up in our country and don't understand our people or our needs. Britian should be run by British people - not foreigners.

As for the commies by another name - Labour, no thanks. The other paties are all a waste of space, time and oxygen.

unelected dictats? when did we vote the house of lords members? i dont remember

 

[mrdude]

unelected dictats? when did we vote the house of lords members? i dont remember

We don't, they should be abolished.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Your level of ignorance is astounding, it's literally like you have never read a history book or watched a documentary. It's pointless even replying to you to be honest as you're a complete idiot that's full of hate and you come across as one of those perpetual victim mentality types. You should probably read up on the history of slavery in the last 2000 years to better educate yourself on the subject as you don't seem to have any idea about it.

You've probably never heard of the Barbary wars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars

Or white people being enslaved by North Africans & Arabs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery

I did, you moron. This book, which was censored for 80 years, is quite eloquent about it:

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/446668/capitalism-and-slavery-by-williams-eric/9780241548165

And you probably don't know that black people have been enslaving each other and selling each other since the begining of recorded history and still do it today in some countries. Or that even today there are an estimated 46 million slaves worldwide - although that figure is most likely higher.

And your point is?

 

[mrdude]

I did, you moron. This book, which was censored for 80 years, is quite eloquent about it:

https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/446668/capitalism-and-slavery-by-williams-eric/9780241548165

I suggest you read this non-fiction book, which is the personal account of a white American (survivor of slavery) sea captain:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeletons_on_the_Zahara

Rather than some fiction book based on someones personal feelings.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Isn't this the person saying she wants to maximize pear production? In the UK of all places? Lmao.