opinions on teaching about lgbtq+ in school

[zekro94]

Some kids are simply transgender, full stop, not because of culture or indoctrination. Many feel this way since birth. It's just part of their identity, who they really are... like being a hetero male is probably part of who you are. They just know it and know they are different. It isn't some arbitrary choice or preference. It's just reality, the reality that some people identify differently, but apparently not part of your personal reality. I can recognize and respect that other people have different experiences and identities. We can either respect that and support them or deny it and make their lives miserable. Totally different matter than tattoos.

I strongly urge anyone who believes this nonsense to read personal accounts from transgender people. It will be enlightening.

So the same way I was 100% I was a werewolf when I was 12 years old? Really? You may think I'm joking but I'm not, I really did have a time in which I thought I might be a werewolf, based on the fact I have 6 canines(4 are up and 2 down, 2 of them are on either side of the incisors which I have 2 up, so I really look like a vampire sometimes) You may think I'm saying all this about transgender because of hate but no, it's because it happened to me too, but with werewolves so it's mostly about not letting kids make mistakes which can then regret after some years (mine only gives me cringe so it wasn't that bad but still)

what makes you think that other teenagers being trans is from parents, i knew someone in a grade below me who was trans, cool girl ngl.

Not only parents, but teachers, tv series or other things. Kids are easily influenced, more than you would think. Any external information can influence them. And sometimes it's not on purpose

 

[RetroGen]

I suggest watching this to learn a little about the real world experience of transgender people. Alexander talks about his experience growing up transgender. Nice, articulate, young man...

 

[Bunjolio]

I suggest watching this to learn a little about the real world experience of transgender people. Alexander talks about his experience growing up transgender. Nice, articulate, young man...

trans people are just normal people tbh

 

[RetroGen]

trans people are just normal people tbh

More to that than you may realize. Rightwing propaganda has people frothing at the mouth in fear about trans-rapists and pedophiles, whilst most just want to pass and live normal lives like everyone else. I like Alex (from the vid above) because he's smart, grounded, and insightful, and also because he demolishes so many false stereotypes.

 

[Bunjolio]

More to that than you may realize. Rightwing propaganda has people frothing at the mouth in fear about trans-rapists and pedophiles, whilst most just want to pass and live normal lives like everyone else. I like Alex (from the vid above) because he's smart, grounded, and insightful, and also because he demolishes so many false stereotypes.

Many right-wingers make out trans people to be terrible humans. (they are just people trying to live their lives)

 

[zekro94]

I suggest watching this to learn a little about the real world experience of transgender people. Alexander talks about his experience growing up transgender. Nice, articulate, young man...

Anyone who uses Cis or cisgender loses respect from me. So after that I closed the video. I still stand my ground

 

[Bunjolio]

Anyone who uses Cis or cisgender loses respect from me. So after that I closed the video. I still stand my ground

im pretty sure cis is legit the term for someone who isnt trans..-?

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Anyone who uses Cis or cisgender loses respect from me. So after that I closed the video. I still stand my ground

also thats a dumb reason to ignore sources

 

[zekro94]

im pretty sure cis is legit the term for someone who isnt trans..-?

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also thats a dumb reason to ignore sources

No, it's a derogatory term that doesn't have any use in modern day nor anywhere else. It was coined in 1994, so it's not that old, I have been called gay so many times because of my inability to get a girlfriend, do you think people have the patience to be called that? There is a limit with all this trans thing, so no, I will not stand anymore, anything that has cis or cisgender already has no validity in my eyes. Dumb reason to not watch the video? Maybe, but that's how it is

 

[RetroGen]

No, it's a derogatory term that doesn't have any use in modern day nor anywhere else. It was coined in 1994, so it's not that old, I have been called gay so many times because of my inability to get a girlfriend, do you think people have the patience to be called that? There is a limit with all this trans thing, so no, I will not stand anymore, anything that has cis or cisgender already has no validity in my eyes. Dumb reason to not watch the video? Maybe, but that's how it is

Sorry to hear that. Probably a good idea to get over the language issue if really interested in understanding. TBH, I had difficultly understanding transgender people when I was in my 20s, though they were pretty much under the radar back then. But as time went on, I met some and got to know others online. Weird how actual experience can change your mind!

Cisgender is just a word used to differentiate, not to denigrate.

 

[Bunjolio]

No, it's a derogatory term that doesn't have any use in modern day nor anywhere else. It was coined in 1994, so it's not that old, I have been called gay so many times because of my inability to get a girlfriend, do you think people have the patience to be called that? There is a limit with all this trans thing, so no, I will not stand anymore, anything that has cis or cisgender already has no validity in my eyes. Dumb reason to not watch the video? Maybe, but that's how it is

i mean, i feel like it doesnt have more effect than other slurs, it has less effect, i dont care if someone calls me cis.

 

[pustal]

i mean, i feel like it doesnt have more effect than other slurs, it has less effect, i dont care if someone calls me cis.

It's not a slur. Some people take it as a slur because they don't want to accept that a person can be trans a therefore can also be sis. Considering themselves sis is admitting that trans people exist, and trans people existing is all an offence to them.

 

[Bunjolio]

It's not a slur. Some people take it as a slur because they don't want to accept that a person can be trans a therefore can also be sis. Considering themselves sis is admitting that trans people exist, and trans people existing is all an offence to them.

yeah im pretty sure cis just isnt a slur..

 

[tabzer]

im pretty sure cis is legit the term for someone who isnt trans..-?

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also thats a dumb reason to ignore sources

Referring to people as cisgender is essentially referencing their genitalia. It is often used as an exclusionary term and also used to belittle people. By itself, it's just a word, but I don't often come across discussions where it offers more clarity and understanding. Some people may not mind being called "gay" while others do. Think of it like you would think about preferred pronouns.

 

[Bunjolio]

Referring to people as cisgender is essentially referencing their genitalia. It is often used as an exclusionary term and also used to belittle people. By itself, it's just a word, but I don't often come across discussions where it offers more clarity and understanding. Some people may not mind being called "gay" while others do. Think of it like you would think about preferred pronouns.

i mean cisgender is jus the term for people that arent trans, but ok

 

[tabzer]

Yeah, quit fronting.

 

[Bunjolio]

Yeah, quit fronting.

Huh?

 

[tabzer]

Yeah, quit fronting.

You are pretending to understand or be understanding, It's fake.

"I mean I'm just going to ignore what you said and pretend that I know."

I literally pointed out that it is used in a disrespectful way in some situations, and can be considered invasive for people who don't want to have people talk about their genitalia. All "slurs" are "just words".

 

[Acid_Snake]

While things aren't black and white, trying to 50/50 it, is ridiculous. While they aren't automatically homophobes, they don't get to act surprise when a Republican is once again adding or try to add another anti-"someone or something" law.

And that is why politics should not be allowed to take any position on a private matter such as this. Neither left nor right, they both should stay away from this matter as they do nothing but harm.

It is equaly disguisting to have laws that forbid gay marrige as it is to have laws that "permit" it, because you're giving too much power to politicians for something that is a personal private matter.

Imagine having to ask the government for permission to love who you want to love and then having to be "thankful" to the government (or any one particular party) because they are allowing you to do something that shouldn't have been a political decision in the first place.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

And that is why politics should not be allowed to take any position on a private matter such as this. Neither left nor right, they both should stay away from this matter as they do nothing but harm.

It is equaly disguisting to have laws that forbid gay marrige as it is to have laws that "permit" it, because you're giving too much power to politicians for something that is a personal private matter.

Imagine having to ask the government for permission to love who you want to love and then having to be "thankful" to the government (or any one particular party) because they are allowing you to do something that shouldn't have been a political decision in the first place.

Your premise is wrong. In most western countries, there is no "asking for permission to love". It's asking to recognise the relationship in the eyes of the law.

 

[Jayro]

I support it, but I'm a bit torn as to which class should cover the topic. Or do we start subdividing it to many classes; Like LGBTQ+ health inclusion in health class, LGBTQ+ history in history class, LGBTQ+ literature in English class, etc? It can be a slippery slope to accurately and effectively be all-inclusive.

One issue is problematic, and that's how quickly things change within the LGBTQ+ community as a whole. there's constantly new flags, new identities, new pronouns, etc that school boards can't and won't be bothered to keep up with. And nobody wants to teach material long-term that gets updated at what seems like an hourly pace.

Another issue with this is all the stubborn teachers and other school staff that aren't LGBTQ+ friendly or accepting of LGBTQ+ students' identities, genders, pronouns, or names they go by over their given birth name/school-registered name. Granted, we're gaining traction in all areas, but it's very slow and takes many generations to dissolve the hateful people from the pool.

And then there's the toxic Kens and Karens that don't want you "teaching that crap to my child!" and force the kid to stay home or be homeschooled, where the child can't escape to ever be themselves around their parents if they ARE LGBTQ+.

I want everyone to just be accepting of their peers, and this school thing is gonna take time, and will need to be a slow progression, but most importantly, it needs to continue on and give these LGBTQ+ kids the love and support they need to grow into good-spirited and loving human beings.

are you saying that teaching teens/kids that being yourself is ok is brainwashing? im a bit lost here.

That tabzer guy is a literal shitbag, don't listen to anything he has to say. He brings nothing of value to any conversation he's a part of.