Stereotypical opinions of muslims

[FlashX007]

I have seen countless debates like this over and over. As long as people use fear and power in order to control one another there will always be racism involved. No offense but I think America is heading toward the wrong road. Honestly I know a few people and in fact my brother that worked internally and found out some messed up shit so he resigned because it was getting messy. In the end I think America is just trying to use some excuse to do what ever they want and possibly control the Middle East.

I am also a Muslim and I believe I have done the best I can but honestly I am sick of all of this hate. It is unnecessary and unkind and cruel. How can one bring himself to feel that much resentment towards another human being? We were all made equal and a few people or countries try to take it and throw it at other peoples faces. Such as Israel. Honestly Israel is starting to become a problem and if there ever is a world war in the future I predict America and Israel caused it. No hate or anything but I am just saying my opinion.

 

[TrolleyDave]

I have seen countless debates like this over and over. As long as people use fear and power in order to control one another there will always be racism involved. No offense but I think America is heading toward the wrong road. Honestly I know a few people and in fact my brother that worked internally and found out some messed up shit so he resigned because it was getting messy. In the end I think America is just trying to use some excuse to do what ever they want and possibly control the Middle East.

It's not always driven by racism, although I won't deny that for a percentage of the population that's what drives it.

I am also a Muslim and I believe I have done the best I can but honestly I am sick of all of this hate. It is unnecessary and unkind and cruel. How can one bring himself to feel that much resentment towards another human being? We were all made equal and a few people or countries try to take it and throw it at other peoples faces.

I can give you lots of examples of the same kind of hate coming from Islamic societies, and even from Islam itself. Every culture is guilty of that kind of hate and cruelty. As for saying that we're all created equal, Mohammed himself said that women were "less" than men. He also said that you shouldn't befriend anyone who wasn't "pious", in which "pious" meant Muslim. Is that not teaching hatred?

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Such as Israel. Honestly Israel is starting to become a problem and if there ever is a world war in the future I predict America and Israel caused it. No hate or anything but I am just saying my opinion.

While I don't doubt that the next big war will be instigated by America, I doubt that it will involve Israel and Palestine - it will more than likely be with Iran. Though I will agree with you that the American government wants to seize control of the Middle East.

 

[Uncle FEFL]

While I don't doubt that the next big war will be instigated by America, I doubt that it will involve Israel and Palestine - it will more than likely be with Iran. Though I will agree with you that the American government wants to seize control of the Middle East.
Unfortunately our government isn't even caring enough to want to control the Middle East (and of course by control I mean protect the innocent). All this country wants is the oil trade.

I am a Muslim and I was wondering why everyone has a stereotypical view of us and why does everyone think that were all terrorists and want to kill ourselves for god.Suicide bombing has successfully ruined the religion's reputation almost single-handedly.

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and plus what your opinions on this?

It's stupid to base your view of Muslims from a small/large (opinion) population of retarded extremists.

As TrolleyDave once said (paraphrase and not about Muslims directly): In any one group of people, be that a country, a continent (rarely), or religion, the stupidest voice is the loudest.

Muslim extremists are the stupidest in your religion, and therefore an uneducated person's opinion is the opinion of the uneducated masses. In other words, any specified population is judged by their worst subjects. And this is incredibly unfortunate.

 

[Sterling]

As long as there is intelligent life on Earth, then there will always be some form of hate. It's a fact that humans are not perfect and never will be. Perfect in my mind is where someone is understanding of anyone and anything, this entity knows everything, and advocates nothing (because in a perfect world, there is no wrong, and no need to voice an opinion). Being an opinionated asshole I am, I can safely say that I am not perfect, and no one else around me ever will.

Now with this being said, we are all guilty of stereotyping other people, and we are all hypocrites. Why are we criticizing everybody else of something we have all done both intentionally and unintentional. We have no place to do so, even if it is our right as "free" citizens of [most of] the world. I may not like the Government, but it is a necessary evil. Even though the only thing I can do is vote for another sleazy politician who cannot keep the promises he offered like the guy before him. I hate the fact that most every aspect of the governing body is as corrupt to my life as my excretions are to the environment, and the other fact is that me, a lowly citizen can do nothing. Sure I could run for office, but I myself would be just as bad as the people that feel the same way.

The only right opinion is the one that isn't said, because an opinion is never a fact.

Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one and they all smell.

 

[taktularCBo]

As long as there is intelligent life on Earth, then there will always be some form of hate. .

what about:
QUOTEAs long as there is stupid life on Earth, then there will always be some form of hate. .

I don't believe that educated people would talk racialistic

 

[Sterling]

As long as there is intelligent life on Earth, then there will always be some form of hate. .

what about:
QUOTEAs long as there is stupid life on Earth, then there will always be some form of hate. .

I don't believe that educated people would talk racialistic

If you'll read the rest of my post you'll see that you, and everyone else that is human are hypocrites. Even if you are educated, you have stereotyped someone somewhere, of race, religion, class, hair type, or anything else that criticizes an aspect of another human being. You are very wrong in your belief that educated people don't do that shit. Also everyone who is human are ignorant in one place or another. It is physically impossible to know all about a race, culture, and no one knows the complete story behind a person's motives to do something. Everyone is ignorant about something, and we are all hypocrites. Therefore we have no place to criticize anyone for being racist, or ignorant.

EDIT: I got a bit off my point, but I feel as if I made a valid point.

 

[BobTheJoeBob]

I believe his comment was in regard to Thoob applauding France for restricting what people can wear by force of law.

So it's OK for Islam law to force people what to wear; but not OK for French law to force people what not to wear.

Forced? That's not the religions fault, that's the people forcing their wives to wear one's fault. My sister and my Mum usually don't wear one unless their praying or going to a mosque. I don't agree with forcing women to wear one.

so some people might say, that your mother and sister are not good Muslims.

And I say to them that allah is the one decide who is a good and who is a bad muslim.

 

[Sterling]

Right on Bob. Let the God higher up decide who is good and who is bad!! Humans have no place to say who is a bad [insert religion here] and who is good.

 

[taktularCBo]

I believe his comment was in regard to Thoob applauding France for restricting what people can wear by force of law.

So it's OK for Islam law to force people what to wear; but not OK for French law to force people what not to wear.

Forced? That's not the religions fault, that's the people forcing their wives to wear one's fault. My sister and my Mum usually don't wear one unless their praying or going to a mosque. I don't agree with forcing women to wear one.

so some people might say, that your mother and sister are not good Muslims.

And I say to them that allah is the one decide who is a good and who is a bad muslim.

And they will find a Surah to prove that you're wrong and they will go to hell.

No offense, its for sure not what i believe, thats the way all religions work, follow it, or you go to hell.

 

[Sterling]

And they will find a Surah to prove that you're wrong and they will go to hell.

No offense, its for sure not what i believe, thats the way all religions work, follow it, or you go to hell.

You do know that if there is a God, that humans will not have an effect on his decisions on who goes to heaven and who goes to hell? Religion here on earth is just a set of guidelines to what is the ideal way to live your life. No one will ever follow those guidelines perfectly. For reference why, review a few of my previous posts.

 

[taktularCBo]

And they will find a Surah to prove that you're wrong and they will go to hell.

No offense, its for sure not what i believe, thats the way all religions work, follow it, or you go to hell.

You do know that if there is a God, that humans will not have an effect on his decisions on who goes to heaven and who goes to hell? Religion here on earth is just a set of guidelines to what is the ideal way to live your life. No one will ever follow those guidelines perfectly. For reference why, review a few of my previous posts.

I wish you would read my previous posts and last one more exact.
1. I just said what Religions say (I even underlined that it was not my thoughts).
2. In my previous Posts I said that Religions are still used for Brainwashing people, which includes the fear to go to hell.
3. Sure their are people following the rules almost perfectly, I call them extremists or orthodox.k?

 

[TrolleyDave]

And I say to them that allah is the one decide who is a good and who is a bad muslim.

This is gonna sound like a strange question but I ask pretty much everyone this. Why do you use the word Allah when speaking English?

 

[Sterling]

I wish you would read my previous posts and last one more exact.
1. I just said what Religions say (I even underlined that it was not my thoughts).
2. In my previous Posts I said that Religions are still used for Brainwashing people, which includes the fear to go to hell.
3. Sure their are people following the rules almost perfectly, I call them extremists or orthodox.k?

I wish you had a better understanding of religion as a whole.
1. I just said you didn't have an understanding of how humans obey religion.
2. No, people choose to believe what religion or lack thereof. My parents told me I have a choice, and I can believe what I want to.
3. Humans NEVER follow religion to the T. Extremists also follow what they want to. In the case of Islamic radicals, they follow the violence in the Koran. You don't seem to understand that humans pick and choose what the want to follow. If you think about it, if no one in the world follows their religion to the exact, we are all going to hell. The stuff in the Bible/Koran was written by humans interpreting what God has decreed, and only God is able to determine who goes where, not the humans that judge in life.

@ Trolly: Lol I always wondered that too.

 

[TrolleyDave]

I wish you had a better understanding of religion as a whole.
1. I just said you didn't have an understanding of how humans obey religion.
2. No, people choose to believe what religion or lack thereof. My parents told me I have a choice, and I can believe what I want to.
3. Humans NEVER follow religion to the T. Extremists also follow what they want to. In the case of Islamic radicals, they follow the violence in the Koran. You don't seem to understand that humans pick and choose what the want to follow. If you think about it, if no one in the world follows their religion to the exact, we are all going to hell. The stuff in the Bible/Koran was written by humans interpreting what God has decreed, and only God is able to determine who goes where, not the humans that judge in life.

I'll have to disagree on number 2. Not everyone chooses their religion. Some people are born into it and have no choice but to stay in it out of fear of becoming outcast from their family and community. And in certain cases leaving that religion can lead to death.

 

[tehnoobshow]

And I say to them that allah is the one decide who is a good and who is a bad muslim.

This is gonna sound like a strange question but I ask pretty much everyone this. Why do you use the word Allah when speaking English?

that is an interesting point that you have bought up there....um but i don't really know why..... for example i just usually say i worship Allah as pose to i worship God as a sign of respect

 

[Sterling]

I wish you had a better understanding of religion as a whole.
1. I just said you didn't have an understanding of how humans obey religion.
2. No, people choose to believe what religion or lack thereof. My parents told me I have a choice, and I can believe what I want to.
3. Humans NEVER follow religion to the T. Extremists also follow what they want to. In the case of Islamic radicals, they follow the violence in the Koran. You don't seem to understand that humans pick and choose what the want to follow. If you think about it, if no one in the world follows their religion to the exact, we are all going to hell. The stuff in the Bible/Koran was written by humans interpreting what God has decreed, and only God is able to determine who goes where, not the humans that judge in life.

I'll have to disagree on number 2. Not everyone chooses their religion. Some people are born into it and have no choice but to stay in it out of fear of becoming outcast from their family and community. And in certain cases leaving that religion can lead to death.

That just depends. I know that several people close to my friends have rejected stuff like that. People born into stuff like that are very unlucky, even though the US has a shit load of problems, I have a choice, and that is why I will never leave this country, and I would fight to keep it right. In all cases, people have a choice, whether they like it or not, there is always a choice and a consequence.

 

[tehnoobshow]

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[taktularCBo]

I wish you would read my previous posts and last one more exact.
1. I just said what Religions say (I even underlined that it was not my thoughts).
2. In my previous Posts I said that Religions are still used for Brainwashing people, which includes the fear to go to hell.
3. Sure their are people following the rules almost perfectly, I call them extremists or orthodox.k?

I wish you had a better understanding of religion as a whole.
1. I just said you didn't have an understanding of how humans obey religion.
2. No, people choose to believe what religion or lack thereof. My parents told me I have a choice, and I can believe what I want to.
3. Humans NEVER follow religion to the T. Extremists also follow what they want to. In the case of Islamic radicals, they follow the violence in the Koran. You don't seem to understand that humans pick and choose what the want to follow. If you think about it, if no one in the world follows their religion to the exact, we are all going to hell. The stuff in the Bible/Koran was written by humans interpreting what God has decreed, and only God is able to determine who goes where, not the humans that judge in life.

@ Trolly: Lol I always wondered that too.

1. Sure I do, thats your Interpretation my Friend nothing more, stay Openminded.
2.My Parents did the same, but you know as good as I do, its not always like this, most people are born into a Religion and are raised like this.You can find this a lot Texas, I was there. Less in Europe, but for sure in many Islamic countries(some more like on the Arabian Peninsula, some less like in Lebanon or almost not, like in Turkey) .
3.Isn't this Offtopic? and where the "heck" did I say, that this extremists don't pick up some parts to follow the extrem way?I agree with u, but it had nothing to do with my previous post.

Koran/Bibel (Im not sure about the Torah)says, if you don't follow exactly what is written you go to hell, thats a fact, read it and you will see, that im right.
extremists and Orthodox people sometimes use the religion for brainwashing, thats another fact. You can see this everyday! From Terrorism against Christians,Muslims or Jews to exorcism or other strange behaves, which are excused in the name of god.

I just repeat what extremists say, its not my believe. I belive that Religion is something person, nothing between you and the world, just between u in god and for sure you should have the choice to choose which religion youw ant to be part of, or even not.

 

[taktularCBo]

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[TrolleyDave]

That just depends. I know that several people close to my friends have rejected stuff like that. People born into stuff like that are very unlucky, even though the US has a shit load of problems, I have a choice, and that is why I will never leave this country, and I would fight to keep it right. In all cases, people have a choice, whether they like it or not, there is always a choice and a consequence.

Don't get me wrong Sterl, I fully agree that religion and faith should be a personal choice and everyone should be allowed to leave said religion if they don't believe in it. Unfortunately it's not always the case. Apostasy in Islam is punishable by death. It doesn't really happen alot in secular countries like the UK and US obviously, but one of the laws of Islam is death for apostates. It's also one of the contradictions in the Qu'ran/Hadiths. One of the early passages has Mohammed saying God says there is no compulsion in religion, but then also later on it mentions that Muslims should fight until religion is only for God/Allah and that leaving Islam is punishable by death. Here's a hadith as an example. http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/en...tml#009.083.017