The Jontron Drama

[JCCG1989]

You mistakenly assume people have the goal or an obligation to the human race or the species. Maybe they aren't stupid maybe they simply don't share your goals or visions.

Malthus spouted a lot of this shit in the 1800's, You can't even scorn people in to turning there radio down after midnight or yelling in to their phone sideways on the tram so what you really are proposing is regulating; mandating etc. not scorn.

And to that I say congratulations, you are a literal Nazi.

The racist idiot calling another dude Nazi, what the USA has become hahaha. You're the pinneacle of your country.

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Yes, I cannot agree more, but a "purge" is definitely an extreme point to which I don't think it would be healthy to go. As a species, we have the intelligence and agency to be critical and discriminatory when it comes to our reproduction, and if everyone can just control themselves from farting out babies and polluting the earth, then the population will eventually come under control. We have the knowledge and systems to produce large amounts of food and water, but our population is so massive that hundreds of millions of people are malnourished. There is not enough. And many of those who DO remain fed well do so only at the cost of bleeding their lives away at painful, unfulfilling, soul-destroying occupations. The truly happy person has been made an endangered species. Air, for example, is something you need to consume to survive, but costs no money. The reason for this is clear, it's because no-one can monetize or control the distribution of oxygen as it's literally everywhere and immediately accessible. The same can be true for food and water. The population can decrease to the point where food and water amounts number in high excess of the demands of the human population, making it free and plentiful. Not to mention the kind of biological beauty that could develop if developed land were to be allowed to return to a healthy, fertile state, which is actually more difficult and time consuming than it seems, as our rampant use of chemicals like herbicides and pesticides has taken a toll on the quality of the soil and water.

Not only that, but we can drastically further our species' evolution by simulating the process of natural selection, only by now using intelligent selection. If people really thought critically about whether or not their genetics being in the next generation would serve to elevate the human race as a species or not when they have the impulse to reproduce, instead of their current, selfish, myopic questions like "are we ready to be parents?", then we can elevate the state of humanity at a unprecedented rate when compared with the randomness in Darwinian evolution. But of course, stupid people are social creatures, and they won't do the right thing unless someone is there to scorn them for it, it seems. Unless it becomes socially stigmatized (just my theory) to have kids in a world this overpopulated, people will not control themselves. If you look at the world now, it's even universally CELEBRATED to have children, with thinks like cards, balloons, and baby showers.

All you said is totally against all know science-based knowedge about evolution. We're not a superior beign that can control it's evolution, we will find our own natural ending eventually and nature will carry on.

 

[Xiphiidae]

I love him even more now.

Same here.

He's a straight white dude living in America where all the straight white dudes feel threatened by minorities and anybody who's different.

Does being half-Iranian count as being white? Genuine question.

And if you really think that people who are critical/sceptical of multiculturalism & immigration (which is "all the straight white dudes" apparently) just "feel threatened by anybody who's different", then it's clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Deleted User]

If you don't like someone's channel then *gasp* don't freakin' watch it. It's funny that if someone introduces politics or other serious subjects into their videos, all is good as long as it is aligned with the liberal narrative. But if it's not, better tear down their channels or videos. Again, if you don't like a YouTuber then ignore them and move on.

 

[DinohScene]

Yes, I cannot agree more, but a "purge" is definitely an extreme point to which I don't think it would be healthy to go. As a species, we have the intelligence and agency to be critical and discriminatory when it comes to our reproduction, and if everyone can just control themselves from farting out babies and polluting the earth, then the population will eventually come under control. We have the knowledge and systems to produce large amounts of food and water, but our population is so massive that hundreds of millions of people are malnourished. There is not enough. And many of those who DO remain fed well do so only at the cost of bleeding their lives away at painful, unfulfilling, soul-destroying occupations. The truly happy person has been made an endangered species. Air, for example, is something you need to consume to survive, but costs no money. The reason for this is clear, it's because no-one can monetize or control the distribution of oxygen as it's literally everywhere and immediately accessible. The same can be true for food and water. The population can decrease to the point where food and water amounts number in high excess of the demands of the human population, making it free and plentiful. Not to mention the kind of biological beauty that could develop if developed land were to be allowed to return to a healthy, fertile state, which is actually more difficult and time consuming than it seems, as our rampant use of chemicals like herbicides and pesticides has taken a toll on the quality of the soil and water.

Not only that, but we can drastically further our species' evolution by simulating the process of natural selection, only by now using intelligent selection. If people really thought critically about whether or not their genetics being in the next generation would serve to elevate the human race as a species or not when they have the impulse to reproduce, instead of their current, selfish, myopic questions like "are we ready to be parents?", then we can elevate the state of humanity at a unprecedented rate when compared with the randomness in Darwinian evolution. But of course, stupid people are social creatures, and they won't do the right thing unless someone is there to scorn them for it, it seems. Unless it becomes socially stigmatized (just my theory) to have kids in a world this overpopulated, people will not control themselves. If you look at the world now, it's even universally CELEBRATED to have children, with thinks like cards, balloons, and baby showers.

I'm doing me part.
I'm not reproducing.

I don't get it why you want one of those little freaks anyway.
Leeches hang around you for ~20 years, wreck your shit and turn against you.

Call me horrible, but I do not donate to any kind of charity that involves children.

 

[Pacheko17]

Jon is redpilled af.
Love that dude even more now.

 

[DinohScene]

having kids is a luxury, only people with enough income and resources would consider having them unless you're from afro descent

I don't really call them a luxury.
Even if I'd earn hundreds of grands a year, I'd still not take one.
Dirty little parasites.

 

[Meteor7]

All you said is totally against all know science-based knowedge about evolution. We're not a superior beign that can control it's evolution, we will find our own natural ending eventually and nature will carry on.

We can certainly control our evolution. We can do it by breeding traits we want. We did it to wolves, and if we get smart about how we breed, we can do it to our own species as well.

You mistakenly assume people have the goal or an obligation to the human race or the species. Maybe they aren't stupid maybe they simply don't share your goals or visions.

I'm assuming creating a "garden of eden"-type world of people who don't want for food or water is something everyone would want. So yes, I am assuming people's goals and what would make them happy, but I don't think it's much of a stretch.

Malthus spouted a lot of this shit in the 1800's, You can't even scorn people in to turning there radio down after midnight or yelling in to their phone sideways on the tram so what you really are proposing is regulating; mandating etc. not scorn.

I'm not sure about that, as I've seen people react strongly based on nothing but social norms, though specific examples are escaping me. Besides, even if it doesn't solve the problem altogether (and it won't), it can only help matters. As for the whole regulation thing, I don't think there's any way this can be forced and still work out for humanity. Even if such a system were sustainable, it would likely cause terrible stress and misery among the population, which is the exact opposite of what I'm trying for.

And to that I say congratulations, you are a literal Nazi.

I can't deny the similarities, but instead of one arguably bigoted nutcase extending his own visions of "perfection" forcibly onto the rest of the world, this would need to be a choice made by each individual and not any kind of ruling/governing body. You probably think people are incapable of making that kind of decision on such a large scale (or maybe any scale?), but I would disagree. Law and regulation is not the only thing that drives human behavior. If it were, it would also need to be true that the only reason people don't murder is because it's illegal, and that's definitely not the case. While people's values can differ greatly between one another, there are certain things that are ubiquitously valued by the entire species, a very easy example being intelligence. I can't imagine anyone objecting to a next generation of human whose average IQ is higher than 100, so that would be a non-controversial direction I could easily see people working towards. With thought, conference, and time, I bet we as a species could find other values which are shared between all, but even if we couldn't, there's no reason to believe there's a ceiling when it comes to intellectual growth so the effort would effectively be indefinite.

 

[Hayleia]

Does being half-Iranian count as being white? Genuine question.

No, you're only half white. So you're half racist and half oppressed.
(Not genuine answer).

 

[bi388]

And to that I say congratulations, you are a literal Nazi.

Jesus christ can everyone stop calling everyone else Nazis? Right wing calls left wingers Nazis, left wing walls right wingers Nazis, sure some of the times there are similarities but can everyone cool it with the "literal Nazi" thing and actually debate the argument and not a strawman?

 

[jimbo13]

Jesus christ can everyone stop calling everyone else Nazis? Right wing calls left wingers Nazis, left wing walls right wingers Nazis, sure some of the times there are similarities but can everyone cool it with the "literal Nazi" thing and actually debate the argument and not a strawman?

It's not Godwins law when the subject is actually advocating Eugenics based breeding, advocating population control and Eugenics is the hallmark of Nazi ideology.

 

[bi388]

It's not Godwins law when the subject is actually advocating Eugenics based breeding, advocating population control and Eugenics is the hallmark of Nazi ideology.

That was literally just Hitlers scapegoat to gain power and get people to follow him. He, and most of the other Nazis (not all) didn't really believe that and many (including Hitler) knew they had Jewish heratage. In order to become powerful they had to convince the people they knew the problem and could fix it, and since the real problem was WW1 reparations and those were basically unfixable he had to create a new problem, and it so happened the Jews were a successful minority others could easily ostracize and get jealous at which made them a great scapegoat. The Nazis also called themselves socialist even though they were facists which is a far right movement.

 

[jimbo13]

Bullshit bullshit bullshit, any fourth grade who is sat through a Hitler channel doc on a Saturday is well aware of the intrinsic nature of Eugenics and Nazi ideology and breeding "perfect people".

They had some of the first abortion laws to get rid of retardation and banned all kinds of people other than Jews from breeding.

 

[bi388]

Bullshit bullshit bullshit, any fourth grade who is sat through a Hitler channel doc on a Saturday is well aware of the intrinsic nature of Eugenics and Nazi ideology and breeding "perfect people".

They had some of the first abortion laws to get rid of retardation and banned all kinds of people other than Jews from breeding.

You're literally just ignored everything I said about how that was just their propaganda and how they also claimed to be socialist and said "but they told me so and Nazis don't lie"

 

[jimbo13]

I did, because you're making up shit that contradicts common knowledge in history of 1920-1950 in regards to Eugenics. Might as well claimed they had space ships or some stupid shit because it has no basis in reality or an opinion supported by anything factual.

 

[bi388]

I did, because you're making up shit that contradicts common knowledge in history of 1920-1950 in regards to Eugenics. Might as well claimed they had space ships or some stupid shit because it has no basis in reality or an opinion supported by anything factual.

This is highly supported. Read A History of the World in the Twentieth Century by Grenville, one of the world's leading experts on the time period.

 

[Flame]

"Fame" seems to have intensified his neckbeardiness.

 

[Joom]

He's a straight white dude living in America where all the straight white dudes feel threatened by minorities and anybody who's different. In short, it's a fear thing.

He's actually of middle eastern descent (dad is Iraqi, mom is Croatian). I mean, his last name is Jafari. And no, the majority of straight, white men don't fear or feel threatened by minorities or anyone that's "different". That's some pretty closed minded thinking right there.

Also, this thread induces nausea.