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The U.S. is more dangerously divided than any other wealthy democracy. Is there a way back from the brink? (Yascha Mounk)
I will say that I find the American right-wing being enamoured with Russia/siding with Russia in the Ukraine conflict is a little bizarre to say the least, having the Red Scare in mind from just a few decades prior. I suppose it depends on what specific camp you ask. Some just don’t want the government to spend more on a conflict they feel doesn’t concern them, which is justifiable if they have other ideas on how that money/resources could be used domestically. Others actually believe Putin’s in the right and they totally believe in the “anti-Nazism” mission spiel, which is plain stupidity of the highest order - that’s not why Putin wants his grubby hands on Ukraine. Either way, violence or forced relocation aren’t the answer, but the implications of the suggestion are still funny, in that funny-sad way (when nested in historical context).
I am, of course, being facetious with the suggestion. At the same time, I'm not sure what else a nation is meant to do with an entire political party which is hellbent on rejecting democracy wholesale. They're in desperate need of a dose of reality, to see with their own eyes what quasi-religious authoritarian oligarchy does to a country. Apparently the sorry state the Russian military proved itself to be in hasn't been enough of a demonstration on its own.
I will say that I find the American right-wing being enamoured with Russia/siding with Russia in the Ukraine conflict is a little bizarre to say the least, having the Red Scare from just a few decades prior in mind. I suppose it depends on what specific camp you ask. Some just don’t want the government to spend more on a conflict they feel doesn’t concern them, which is justifiable if they have other ideas on how that money/resources could be used domestically. Others actually believe Putin’s in the right and they buy the “anti-Nazism” mission spiel, which is plain stupidity of the highest order - that’s not why Putin wants his grubby hands on Ukraine. Either way, violence or forced relocation aren’t the answer, but the implications of the suggestion are still funny, in that funny-sad way (when nested in historical context).
I find the American left-wing being enamored with Ukraine is completely bizarre considering 3 short years ago, Democrats labeled Ukraine's Azov Battalion as nazi's. In 2018, they made sure no funds in that omnibus bill were to be made available to Azov. The Christchurch shooter, also a neonazi, claimed to be trained by Azov battalion.
But now, all of that gets memory holed. Why? And why now? Ukraine has been in civil war since 2014 and nobody cared until Putin went in.
I am, of course, being facetious with the suggestion. At the same time, I'm not sure what else a nation is meant to do with an entire political party which is hellbent on rejecting democracy wholesale. They're in desperate need of a dose of reality, to see with their own eyes what quasi-religious authoritarian oligarchy does to a country. Apparently the sorry state the Russian military proved itself to be in hasn't been enough of a demonstration on its own.
The thing about democracy is that you kind of have to accept the result even when it doesn’t quite work out the way you expected it to - both sides of the aisle have issues with that concept. On the flip side, democracy is tyranny of the stupid, so the republic has certain stopgaps to prevent both from exercising their most base instincts.
I find the American left-wing being enamored with Ukraine is completely bizarre considering 3 short years ago, Democrats labeled Ukraine's Azov Battalion as nazi's. In 2018, they made sure no funds in that omnibus bill were to be made available to Azov. The Christchurch shooter, also a neonazi, claimed to be trained by Azov battalion.
But now, all of that gets memory holed. Why? And why now? Ukraine has been in civil war since 2014 and nobody cared until Putin went in.
Even assuming the absolutely ridiculous scenario of Ukraine being a straight-up national socialist country (it isn’t one) Putin would *still* be in the wrong for attacking a sovereign country unprovoked (with clear intentions of annexation, too). The guilty party is always the initial aggressor, and internal tensions in Ukraine are Ukraine’s problem that the Ukrainian government should deal with. At the end of the day Russia attacked a sovereign democratic country, and not once, but twice. It’s hard to find excuses for them.
The reason why many right-wingers are siding with Russia or remain neutral is simple. There is part of world which has declared anal sex as the highest value and then there is the rest of the world.
I will say that I find the American right-wing being enamoured with Russia/siding with Russia in the Ukraine conflict is a little bizarre to say the least, having the Red Scare from just a few decades prior in mind. I suppose it depends on what specific camp you ask. Some just don’t want the government to spend more on a conflict they feel doesn’t concern them, which is justifiable if they have other ideas on how that money/resources could be used domestically. Others actually believe Putin’s in the right and they buy the “anti-Nazism” mission spiel, which is plain stupidity of the highest order - that’s not why Putin wants his grubby hands on Ukraine. Either way, violence or forced relocation aren’t the answer, but the implications of the suggestion are still funny, in that funny-sad way (when nested in historical context).
It goes full circle I guess. McCarthyism is a large part of how Republicans veered to the right. Today, they think Russia forcibly annexing former USSR territory is no big deal.
The thing about democracy is that you kind of have to accept the result even when it doesn’t quite work out the way you expected it to - both sides of the aisle have issues with that concept. On the flip side, democracy is tyranny of the stupid, so the republic has certain stopgaps to prevent both from exercising their most base instincts.
Even assuming the absolutely ridiculous scenario of Ukraine being a straight-up national socialist country (it isn’t one) Putin would *still* be in the wrong for attacking a sovereign country unprovoked (with clear intentions of annexation, too). The guilty party is always the initial aggressor, and internal tensions in Ukraine are Ukraine’s problem that the Ukrainian government should deal with. At the end of the day Russia attacked a sovereign democratic country, and not once, but twice. It’s hard to find excuses for them.
You don't even have to assume. Zelenskyy banned all opposing political parties. He has an entire battalion of SS forces. There is strong evidence of war crimes being committed by Ukrainian forces. These same forces have been bombing the Donbas region for years.
There is more to this conflict than what we are being told and NATO and the US are literally playing with fire against a nuclear armed country.
It goes full circle I guess. McCarthyism is a large part of how Republicans veered to the right. Today, they think Russia forcibly annexing former USSR territory is no big deal.
It's weird how the anti-war left have become very pro-war with their neocon allies in the uniparty. You people are willing to start a nuclear war over a former USSR territory. It's a crazy notion that we spend hundreds of billions of dollars every year protection the borders of other countries and completely ignore our own. Even the money allocated to Border Patrol in this omnibus bill can only be used to process illegal aliens. It can't be used to enforce immigration laws.
Honest question. Why is Ukraine's borders more important than our own?
You don't even have to assume. Zelenskyy banned all opposing political parties. He has an entire battalion of SS forces. There is strong evidence of war crimes being committed by Ukrainian forces. These same forces have been bombing the Donbas region for years.
There is more to this conflict than what we are being told and NATO and the US are literally playing with fire against a nuclear armed country.
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It's weird how the anti-war left have become very pro-war with their neocon allies in the uniparty. You people are willing to start a nuclear war over a former USSR territory. It's a crazy notion that we spend hundreds of billions of dollars every year protection the borders of other countries and completely ignore our own. Even the money allocated to Border Patrol in this omnibus bill can only be used to process illegal aliens. It can't be used to enforce immigration laws.
Honest question. Why is Ukraine's borders more important than our own?
If moral is lost wat's the point of any war?
If ukraine falls it means europe falls.
Since europe is tight bound with USA, maybe it matters a bit more then...
More than:
a few drugs couriers.
a few guns.
some people crossing the border that might not do the outmost best to fit in.
There are problems around your borders no mather what, they're the same here, these can in most cases be dealt with just a slight patience.
Ukraine falling, and you've got a dam breach wich gonna set us back about a pre WW1.
If moral is lost wat's the point of any war?
If ukraine falls it means europe falls.
Since europe is tight bound with USA, maybe it matters a bit more then...
More than:
a few drugs couriers.
a few guns.
some people crossing the border that might not do the outmost best to fit in.
There are problems around your borders no mather what, they're the same here, these can in most cases be dealt with just a slight patience.
Ukraine falling, and you've got a dam breach wich gonna set us back about a pre WW1.
Ukraine fell in 2014 when the US instigated a color revolution against the lawfully voted president at that time. The corrupt US government have been doing regime changes for decades and the only people who suffer are the citizens of these countries that were at least stable and US taxpayers. The people who benefit are the uniparty here in the US, the military industrial complex and the central bankers.
You don't even have to assume. Zelenskyy banned all opposing political parties. He has an entire battalion of SS forces. There is strong evidence of war crimes being committed by Ukrainian forces. These same forces have been bombing the Donbas region for years.
There is more to this conflict than what we are being told and NATO and the US are literally playing with fire against a nuclear armed country.
The only answer to this conflict is a unilateral retreat from all annexed territories by Russia, followed by reparations. Nothing short of that is acceptable as far as the non-aggression policy is concerned. Russia is not in a position to “support separatist forces” in a sovereign country, it’s none of Russia’s business and it should be held liable for all the damage and loss of life caused.
Ukraine fell in 2014 when the US instigated a color revolution against the lawfully voted president at that time. The corrupt US government have been doing regime changes for decades and the only people who suffer are the citizens of these countries that were at least stable and US taxpayers. The people who benefit are the uniparty here in the US, the military industrial complex and the central bankers.
I can understand general dislike of right-wingers since they’re polar opposites - you can find some kind of reasonable-ish justification. That, and they’re not very likeable in general. The dislike of libertarians has always puzzled me since all they really want is to be left alone. I’m sure it has to do with them “not wanting to contribute to society”, or something along those lines. The funny thing is that the proposed solution (in jest, but still) is to take everyone who isn’t like-minded and “getting rid of them”. The joke writes itself.
This, right here. I have heard at least a half dozen people just here on GBAtemp trying to conflate "Libertarian" with "Republican", which seems funny to me.
Libertarians LITERALLY want to just be left alone, and to be allowed to ignore YOU, too.
Part of leaving us alone means that you cannot try to legally force us to call a man a woman, just because he has "preferred pronouns" and a mental disorder. It means that you cannot illegally tax us and send more than $68 billion to a foreign nation which is not a part of the UN, because of their own internecine conflicts.
Libertarians are not Republicans. But it's funny that we are conflated with them because we, too, refuse to be controlled by the left, so automatically, we're the right.
You never see any riots started by people demanding actual liberty for ALL people, in ALL things. That's what Libertarians are about. We're not Trump-worshiping Nazis, as the left and several trolls here would have you believe.
The only answer to this conflict is a unilateral retreat from all annexed territories by Russia, followed by reparations. Nothing short of that is acceptable as far as the non-aggression policy is concerned. Russia is not in a position to “support separatist forces” in a sovereign country, it’s none of Russia’s business and it should be held liable for all the damage and loss of life caused.
That's not diplomacy. And if a country is bombing their own citizens, maybe the world should take an interest. Having a proxy war with a major nuclear power, however, is not a smart idea. Saying that your solution is the only answer is short sighted and you are too smart for that. Remove your emotions from the situation and take another look at it. Look at all the evidence, not just evidence you agree with.
The U.S. doesn't have to invade countries except to feed the military industrial complex. The CIA ousts world leaders all the time who refuse to play ball with the central bankers.
If the CIA was disbanded like JFK was gonna do before his assassination, there would be 95% less wars in the world. It would save billions of people. Instead of looking at root causes for events, people get distracted by shiny propaganda from the tax exempt corporate media who push whatever the uniparty wants at any given time.
Expecting the invading force to retreat from your territory is peak diplomacy. Violent land grabs under the pretense of “protecting the population” is not. Russia needs to retreat from the territories it has no legal claim for.
Expecting the invading force to retest from your territory is peak diplomacy. Violent land grabs under the pretense of “protecting the population” is not. Russia needs to retreat from the territories it has no legal claim for.
By the same rationale, the United States should surrender the sovereign kingdom nation of Hawai'i. We kind of totally illegally annexed that entire nation. Which is to say nothing of the Indian Removal Act, the Trail of Tears and Manifest Destiny.
But we got $68 billion to give Ukraine!
I understand why the rest of the world laughs at us.
You never see any riots started by people demanding actual liberty for ALL people, in ALL things. That's what Libertarians are about. We're not Trump-worshiping Nazis, as the left and several trolls here would have you believe.
I like Trump because all the right people hate him. From the Democrats to most of the Republican Party (federal and state) like Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, and all the other Republicans who voted for this massive $1.7 trillion monstrosity, the Georgia and Arizona GOP, to the FBI, CIA, European leaders, Paul Ryan, the unelected bureaucrats, rich Hollywood types, the dying corporate media, college academia, corporate boardrooms, tech giants, Big Pharma, public sector unions, private sector union leadership, the WEF, and groomers.
I apologize if I missed anybody.
People who love Trump include over 74 million Americans, untold number of people globally and the U.S. military. I think I'm in good company.
Expecting the invading force to retreat from your territory is peak diplomacy. Violent land grabs under the pretense of “protecting the population” is not. Russia needs to retreat from the territories it has no legal claim for.
I like Trump because all the right people hate him. From the Democrats to most of the Republican Party (federal and state) like Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, and all the other Republicans who voted for this massive $1.7 trillion monstrosity, the Georgia and Arizona GOP, to the FBI, CIA, European leaders, Paul Ryan, the unelected bureaucrats, rich Hollywood types, the dying corporate media, college academia, corporate boardrooms, tech giants, Big Pharma, public sector unions, private sector union leadership, the WEF, and groomers.
I apologize if I missed anybody.
People who love Trump include over 74 million Americans, untold number of people globally and the U.S. military. I think I'm in good company.
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Expecting the invading force to retreat is not diplomacy. That's called war.
I wonder if people will have this same zeal for war when China moves into Taiwan. Hmm...
I am a Libertarian who supports Trump for those EXACT reasons, brother. The right people hate what I support.
I am not just a Libertarian. I am a South Park Libertarian, which, joyfully, is an actual thing.
Matt and Trey went on record explaining their political views. They said, to paraphrase from memory, that they hated both conservatives and liberals, but they hated liberals more.
THAT is a political ideology that I can get behind. Leave everyone alone. EVERYONE. If they're not fucking you, stay out of their bedroom and what they do in it. If you did not impregnate them, don't try to stop them from getting an abortion. If they're not your ally, don't feel bad if you nope the fuck out of their own conflict over their territory. Just because YOU imagine that you are a girl, even though you were born with a penis, doesn't mean I HAVE to call you "ma'am", or be forced to by law.
Liberty for all people means liberty for ALL people.
It doesn't mean that liberals get to use their SJW crazed ideology to browbeat, cancel, cudgel and bash everyone who doesn't agree with them.
EVERYONE can go fuck off and leave everyone else alone. Why haven't we tried this yet?
Oh, that's right. The left refuses to let anyone do ANYTHING that they don't agree with. Not enough representation.
Their utopian world features an entire planet filled with gender-fluid non-binary morbidly obese "individuals" who all get "I Participated" trophies, no one ever gets their feelings hurt, everyone has a safe space, and the world is just a fluffy cotton ball that is rainbow colored.
Please. Fuck ALL the way off with that bullshit. The only Nazis are on the left. The ONLY NAZIS ARE ON THE LEFT, WHERE THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN. IT'S IN THE FUCKING NAME. THE LEFT ARE SOCIALISTS. WHAT DOES "NAZI" MEAN?!
Fucking morons.
Being fat is not beautiful or healthy. There are only two genders. FUCK Ukraine. No, I won't wear a mask. No, I won't get a vaccine. "Diversity" does not equate to "competency". NO LIVES MATTER. Epstein didn't kill himself.
Libertarianism is already a fantasy land ideology but having one come outright and say they get their opinions from fiction is even funnier. I quit reading here because I'm sure the rest of the post is posturing from an insecure guy who thinks fiction can give you good opinions for reality.
Libertarianism is already a fantasy land ideology but having one come outright and say they get their opinions from fiction is even funnier. I quit reading here because I'm sure the rest of the post is posturing from an insecure guy who thinks fiction can give you good opinions for reality.
I am a Libertarian who supports Trump for those EXACT reasons, brother. The right people hate what I support.
I am not just a Libertarian. I am a South Park Libertarian, which, joyfully, is an actual thing.
Matt and Trey went on record explaining their political views. They said, to paraphrase from memory, that they hated both conservatives and liberals, but they hated liberals more.
THAT is a political ideology that I can get behind. Leave everyone alone. EVERYONE. If they're not fucking you, stay out of their bedroom and what they do in it. If you did not impregnate them, don't try to stop them from getting an abortion. If they're not your ally, don't feel bad if you nope the fuck out of their own conflict over their territory. Just because YOU imagine that you are a girl, even though you were born with a penis, doesn't mean I HAVE to call you "ma'am", or be forced to by law.
Liberty for all people means liberty for ALL people.
It doesn't mean that liberals get to use their SJW crazed ideology to browbeat, cancel, cudgel and bash everyone who doesn't agree with them.
EVERYONE can go fuck off and leave everyone else alone. Why haven't we tried this yet?
Oh, that's right. The left refuses to let anyone do ANYTHING that they don't agree with. Not enough representation.
Their utopian world features an entire planet filled with gender-fluid non-binary morbidly obese "individuals" who all get "I Participated" trophies, no one ever gets their feelings hurt, everyone has a safe space, and the world is just a fluffy cotton ball that is rainbow colored.
Please. Fuck ALL the way off with that bullshit. The only Nazis are on the left. The ONLY NAZIS ARE ON THE LEFT, WHERE THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN. IT'S IN THE FUCKING NAME. THE LEFT ARE SOCIALISTS. WHAT DOES "NAZI" MEAN?!
Fucking morons.
Being fat is not beautiful or healthy. There are only two genders. FUCK Ukraine. No, I won't wear a mask. No, I won't get a vaccine. "Diversity" does not equate to "competency". NO LIVES MATTER. Epstein didn't kill himself.
You're missing the point. Me and this man go way back. He has a hate boner for me which is still rigid after all this time. Stalks me on every post I comment on. He has a crush on me, I think. I would be flattered, but I like women.
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Ken secret tactic to expose them, "I was told you where a really bad person, now I'm not so sure." Watch who they tear into, that's the person who is doing that crap.
The shameful part is, I fell so in love with her mask. If I could find the real woman she pretended to be I would die for her without a moments hesitation.