what do you guys think about gay marriage??

[Foxi4]

People get married without any intention of having children. People unable to have children still get married. People have children without getting married. There is clearly much more to marriage than procreation. That's just something pushed by organised religions who want as many little catholics/muslims/whatever popping out to bolster their numbers.

This is why I draw the division. I believe that marriage is too complicated and formalized as an institution nowadays.

I believe that there is absolutely no need for marriage if you're not intended to create a family unit. This is the core idea behind marriage, anything else can be achieved in a standard relationship, which can also be formalized if that is your desire.

QUOTEYes they are, they have a right to believe whatever parts of the bible they want.

That's called "don't give a shitism". Either you believe the whole thing or you don't. Obviously the Bible is just a moral framework, not a set of factual stories written in stone. Never the less, you can't pick and choose.

Imagine if judges judged people based on excerpts. "Oh, this part of the Law sounds okay. Oh, wait. This one doesn't. Meh, I'll go with part 1 and forget about part 2". That's not how it works. If you call yourself a good Christian, you follow the bible in its whole, not excerpts.

That makes me a bad Christian, and I realize that, but at least I *acknowlage* it instead of painting myself with brighter colours than I really am.

 

[Pong20302000]

Just to make my point clear one more time, since I guess I strayed off-topic a bit.

I'm all okay for same-sex marriages, in the sense of a union between two people for the sake of taxes and other legal issues. I'm againts adoption though, since I believe in the school of Behaviorism.

but then what happens if they adopt but there kids go to a private boarding school?


It's a psychological thing. What are you going to do on Mother's day when you have two fathers? What will you do on a "Visiting Dad at Work" day when you have two moms? Besides, you don't send little children to boarding schools, do you?

QUOTE

Not even wasting my time, I've already shown the evidence.

And by that you mean you've shown no evidence at all.

Lol if you got no mom you do nothing lol
and if you adopted you still have a mum

boarding school in the UK start at 2 years old

 

[smile72]

Foxi4 I've shown who supports same sex parenting apparently you need to read what I write closer. So what do you do if your raised by a single parent, same thing nothing, are you seriously asking something this stupid?

 

[Pong20302000]

Okay, but you realize some churches do perform same sex marriages right.

Yeah, I know, good for them. But tell me if I'm wrong, they're not permitted by the christian religion. Anyway, I'm against it because of religion. I tend to think that some aspects of religion should not be changed. Like foxi said, legal marriage and religeous marriage is clearly not the same for me. Again, I'm not talking about the legal title or even having children. Just about the religeous part.

All the Church's where i live in the UK, even the Full blown Christian ones support all types of marriages.
guess the people near me focus on peoples happiness rather than pushing a 2000 year old story book on people

 

[Foxi4]

Okay, but you realize some churches do perform same sex marriages right.

Yeah, I know, good for them. But tell me if I'm wrong, they're not permitted by the christian religion. Anyway, I'm against it because of religion. I tend to think that some aspects of religion should not be changed. Like foxi said, legal marriage and religeous marriage is clearly not the same for me. Again, I'm not talking about the legal title or even having children. Just about the religeous part.

All the Church's where i live in the UK, even the Full blown Christian ones support all types of marriages.
guess the people near me focus on peoples happiness rather than pushing a 2000 year old story book on people

You're full of it John, I've been to the UK several times and a zillion of peeps tried to "save" me and my girlfriend. Preachings in the UK vary, most Baptist churches for example state that animals do not posses the Immortal Soul, even though the Bible says clearly otherwise on numerous instances.

So no, they're not as unified as you may think. Their prechings vary A WHOLE LOT.

 

[Ritsuki]

Yes they are, they have a right to believe whatever parts of the bible they want.

Yeah, I know, that's what I do (btw, I'm not christian), but we can't just say 'I do not belive in that rule, so I'm not going to follow it'. It's a bit to easy. Religion is something that doesn't change a lot. So instead of changing it, why don't we change our system ? I don't care about same sex person who wants to marry. The most important thing is to be happy (even if I think that marriage is not the best way to be happy, but that's off topic and only my opinion

). Even if a guy wants to marry a dog, fine ! But not in a religeous way, because it would be againt the religion.

 

[Pong20302000]

Okay, but you realize some churches do perform same sex marriages right.

Yeah, I know, good for them. But tell me if I'm wrong, they're not permitted by the christian religion. Anyway, I'm against it because of religion. I tend to think that some aspects of religion should not be changed. Like foxi said, legal marriage and religeous marriage is clearly not the same for me. Again, I'm not talking about the legal title or even having children. Just about the religeous part.

All the Church's where i live in the UK, even the Full blown Christian ones support all types of marriages.
guess the people near me focus on peoples happiness rather than pushing a 2000 year old story book on people

You're full of it John, I've been to the UK several times and a zillion of peeps tried to "save" me and my girlfriend. Preachings in the UK vary, most Baptist churches for example state that animals do not posses the Immortal Soul, even though the Bible says clearly otherwise on numerous instances.

So no, they're not as unified as you may think. Their prechings vary A WHOLE LOT.

John?
LOL!
even GayLittleCatBoy knows my real name and it aint John
you must of gone to the wrong part of the UK

 

[smile72]

Ritsuki Do you remember the example I gave where LDS changed to allow black people to join, they believed they were black because they were cursed by God, they now omit that from The Book of Mormon.

 

[Ritsuki]

Off Topic : I think he said John like in 'John Doe', the common name for unknown people

 

[smile72]

It's okay pong20302000, he just can't keep his lies together anymore. Wouldn't be smarter to just call you by your username?

 

[Foxi4]

John?
LOL!
even GayLittleCatBoy knows my real name and it aint John
you must of gone to the wrong part of the UK

Wouldn't know, I'm not a regular Temper. I hop in here for brief spamatons.

And I guess you're right, I don't conscider Wales to be very "British" in the first place, I can understand where they're comming from when they say they want to separate from the main UK body.

QUOTEIt's okay pong20302000, he just can't keep his lies together anymore. Wouldn't be smarter to just call you by your username?

Pong used my fake name in a different argument, so I thought I'll just carry on with the funny game a little longer.

 

[Pong20302000]

Lol i know where he got John from tho
its from my fake name on youtube

its the internet
on site like this you gotta have a fake ID

id post you IP and location and stuff puts thats too personal

 

[The Catboy]

Yes they are, they have a right to believe whatever parts of the bible they want.

Yeah, I know, that's what I do (btw, I'm not christian), but we can't just say 'I do not belive in that rule, so I'm not going to follow it'. It's a bit to easy. Religion is something that doesn't change a lot. So instead of changing it, why don't we change our system ? I don't care about same sex person who wants to marry. The most important thing is to be happy (even if I think that marriage is not the best way to be happy, but that's off topic and only my opinion

). Even if a guy wants to marry a dog, fine ! But not in a religeous way, because it would be againt the religion.

Actually no, it is not. There is nothing in the New Testament against homosexuality (there is something about Bestiality though) In fact Jesus was not against homosexuals. There was something in the Old Testament, but most Christan based religions don't follow the Old Testaments, because Jesus said that is no longer needed.
There where the problem is because that's where it creates the contradictions.

 

[smile72]

Yes, the Old Testament really only mentions where it's bad to have sex with men, only applies if you're Jewish, because Christians almost never obey the Old Testament. And it doesn't matter to the Jews as they're all going to Heaven anyway (if they're right).

 

[Foxi4]

id post you IP and location and stuff puts thats too personal

I have no problem with that, mine's 127.0.0.1

 

[Pong20302000]

id post you IP and location and stuff puts thats too personal

I have no problem with that, mine's __________

ok long as you fine with that

 

[Foxi4]

id post you IP and location and stuff puts thats too personal

I have no problem with that, mine's **.**.**.***

ok long as you fine with that

*beep* Wrong

Try again, wrong node. Close though, I believe that's my ISP's HQ.

 

[BlueStar]

I can't say I know many Christians over here, but the handful I do all support gay marriage. In fact they're some of the most liberal people in my circle of friends.

 

[Pong20302000]

id post you IP and location and stuff puts thats too personal

I have no problem with that, mine's _______

ok long as you fine with that

*beep* Wrong

Try again, wrong node.

im not even trying
clearly the quick responses say something about you tho?

Topic:

YAY to Gays

death to Nays

 

[BlueStar]

That's called "don't give a shitism". Either you believe the whole thing or you don't. Obviously the Bible is just a moral framework, not a set of factual stories written in stone. Never the less, you can't pick and choose.

Everyone picks and chooses. From which translation you decide to read, to how much of the Old Testament you think is superceeded by the new stuff. There are thousands of different denominations and interpretations of the bible, most of which think they aren't cherry picking, and yet all of which have different views on what the bible says, to varying degrees.