Link to any site that proves vaccines do anything beneficial. I want to see what sources you deem credible.
Assuming you are not just trying to promote better debate technique then what sort of things are we looking for here?
http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/the-history-of-vaccination.aspx
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/cphorsphc-respcacsp/2008/fr-rc/cphorsphc-respcacsp05b-eng.php
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/p...da-cdi34suppl.htm~cda-cdi34suppl-ExecSumm.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2013/p0619-hpv-vaccinations.html
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/2/07-040089/en/
http://ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications/Publications/lets-talk-about-protection-vaccination-guide.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4078488/ Covers the history in India.
http://www.indianpediatrics.net/jan2013/jan-111-118.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4317636/ Covers some of the stuff in Russia.
http://japanhealthinfo.com/child-health-and-childcare/vaccination/
http://www.economist.com/news/china...ses-reveals-widespread-corruption-dismal-lack , mainly as it covers some of the things that are considered mandatory in China.
http://www.mrc.gm/our-research/themes/disease-control-elimination/ That would be Gambia's research group that covers west Africa, apparently funded privately and by the UK.
http://www.mrc.gm/about-us/
http://www.health.gov.za/index.php/...uman-papilloma-virus-hpv-vaccination-campaign South Africa's health department advocating for it.
http://www.nbn.org.il/aliyahpedia/g...ildhood-vaccinations-flu-shots-immunizations/
So that is the UK, Canada, Australia, India, Russia, the US, Japan, China, parts of west Africa, South Africa, Israel and Europe all agreeing on the concept. Several of those would also have a financial incentive not to do things on the scales seen which do not work (several of those are publicly funded after all, and other research groups are also publicly funded and thus at least somewhat immune to the machinations of big pill pushers), and in the case of the US insurance companies fight tooth and nail at times to restrict things which do demonstrably work if they are too expensive, and insurance companies are made to provide such things without so much as a copay
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/adults/find-pay-vaccines.html .
To that end that would be a serious mass delusion for it to be not worth it, and a seriously impressive one too as I doubt you would be able to get all those places around the table, let alone agreeing on things.
So maybe there is that big a world conspiracy. We will do the maths
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/births.htm
About 4 million births a year.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/child-adolescent.html reckons everybody should get some less than 20 but I will round up.
Cost for vaccines in the US
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/vfc/awardees/vaccine-management/price-list/ and the US is notably awful at getting drug prices down, don't know if it applies to vaccinations which are more popular (and thus possibly getting those sweet bulk deals, the whole system gets complex there
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2888017/ ) so I will leave that one for now.
Nothing goes over $200 USD and modal is between 10 and 30. $200 it is then. Call it pure profit as well.
200*20 *4000000=16000000000
16 billion a year then.
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/
That is a chunk of change, I am not too proud to walk on by if I saw it sitting on the floor or turn it down should I have it offered. Go down to the $20 range as per most on that list and that is 1.6 billion. So a worldwide conspiracy doing near impossible feats in science, politics and economics to all gain nothing. Speaking of doing nothing then
http://www.healthline.com/health-ne...s-on-vitamins-and-herbs-that-dont-work-031915 reckons 21 billion by Americans on herbal supplements per year.
That is just the US though so
http://www.ecology.com/birth-death-rates/ reckons 131.4 million born per year. Assuming all got them at US rates we multiply that by 33 to get slightly less than the military budget of the US at the $200 per shot range.
Depending upon the logic twisting if I was to assume it is was all unnecessary and the disease went away because of magic/evolution/better cleaning then OK there is not much more to be said. Assuming they are financially motivated and utterly without morals then they fail at economics because ER visits are expensive
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/02/how-much-does-it-cost-to-go-to-the-er/273599/ is up in the thousands. Complication rates likely to result in a visit
http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/complications.html reckon 1 in 20, and that was pneumonia was is not an in and out job either.
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S1.full.pdf reckons 90% infection rate for Americans around 1950 prior to 18, and they definitely knew about isolation and bleach then. Not sure how to slice that one up, how to account for a larger population (this was the baby boom in full swing by the way) in the years since and other stuff like that, none of it is likely to make numbers go down.
That is just one disease as well, not all on that list are truly unpleasant but we get to do get to multiply. I can't be bothered to look it up for all of them though as it is pretty pointless from where I sit.
Oh and that is just using ER visits and assuming they are pure profit for the same company that would have otherwise not pushed a vaccine, we still have ongoing care to consider, let alone something they might ultimately be admitted for.
Maybe they are just doing it for the giggles.
Back on topic, so to speak,
Are population studies a viable thing for you? Not all diseases suddenly had vaccines made and deployed at once. You can then find nice timelines for in the introduction of specific vaccines and their subsequent reduction or elimination from a region.
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S1.long
http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/timelines/polio , perhaps not a suitable source but the CDC does link it
http://www.cdc.gov/features/poliofacts/
Meanwhile other things ticked along nicely until something was made for them, or not as the case may be. Isolation and infection control/sanitation has been known for many years and certainly during living memory, said living memory also containing memories of times prior. Seen as much of this happened over 2 generations at most in wildly differing and, for two generations at least, largely genetically isolated populations it is unlikely to be evolution.
Deliberate infections and controls are somewhat unethical, however there seem to be nice groups providing an non vaccinated control for us now, of large enough genetic diversity and often of otherwise sufficiently good health that it would be hard to argue that it is not some poor bastard in Africa that can barely get enough calories to survive working full time, or people that were somehow otherwise susceptible to it.
http://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html
Are immunological studies more your thing? Vaccinations then consistently resulting in specific antibodies for specific strains of diseases.
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/200/9/1390.full
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Anyway going back onto something else I have not seen any discussion of what I consider possibly the most loathsome reason I ever saw floated for avoiding them. When the vaccinations for HPV (cervical cancer, and not after a long and productive life, being a common result) were being discussed one of the reasons given against it was "it might encourage people to have sex". Granted that was mainly the US where abstinence only is apparently not something to be ridiculed at every chance.