Democratic Debates

[SG854]

You can read the Snopes article you linked to for why the number of counties a candidate won is largely irrelevant to how well a candidate did. Counties vary wildly in population. Obama only won ~680 counties in 2012, for example.

Counting counties is mostly just counting rural areas, which is another way of saying you're counting Republican areas. It's largely meaningless.

Thats true. Trump won a few key big areas though that voted for Obama then switched to Trump.

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Oh boy, another Trump supporter triggered by level-headed discussion just because it isn't playing out in favor of his biases.

How many people have you blocked now? lol.

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since when the opinion of Russia, South America and Asia senpai matters to you?
I never thought I would see the day conservatives cared about what other countries thought about them.

Also someone who doesnt align with your views doesnt equal a degenerate. Never thought i had to explain that but here we are.

Asia Senpai? Your weeb is leaking, lol.

That Nazi sign though. I like how he destroys the world at the end.

 

[leon315]

now THE ORANGE MAN has lifted the Huawei ban, this man has absolutely no idea about anything he says or does and its consequence. probably The orange man begged President Xi to import americunt's soybean again.

Tempers, pls vote Trump 2020! cauz he will make China Great again. XDDDD

 

[notimp]

(In response to the Trump press conference video.)

Here is how nobody is able to compete without Android. As a chinese handset manufacturer.

You make it free.

You make your own appstore mandatory - and forbid the appstore of others to be preinstalled on the same device.

You take 30% of all profits through the app store.

You bank on at least one app developer in the world, making and app that many users want and thats spreads causing a network effect.


Its highly technical, complicated, and complex, Todd. Here - I needed three sentences to explain it.

Four if I need to explain it even further. If you prevent one of the hardware manufacturers from using your free operating system - suddenly they loose all popular apps on the plattform - have to pay for an OS, and make and OS - with all the localization and PR issues in the world coming up at once, while the competition gets theirs for free.

So complicated Tod, so complicated. I'm not sure you would understand it Tod. Its highly technical.

 

[WD_GASTER2]

Asia Senpai? Your weeb is leaking, lol

Never hid it?

you should switch back to your k-pop avatars. it made you more recognizable.

back to the topic at hand. The whole trade dispute thing has been turned into a side show.

 

[Xzi]

See. It's not that I like or dislike Trump.

Riiight.

It's just that you give him more appeal the more you try to be a center of attention.

We were 8-9 pages deep into a discussion that had already been taken way off-topic, a discussion you had no involvement in. You decided to seek my comments out specifically, so I think you know who to blame for putting me at the center of attention, if that's indeed where I'm at.

To top it off, you want both see yourself and be seen as smart.

We've all got our positive and negative attributes to contend with, English just happens to be one of my strong suits. I can't help it if that creates a negative perception of me in the eyes of people used to the level of discourse over at 8chan. I can tell you that my math skills are subpar at best, and there are several subjects which I have zero knowledge about. Of course, none of this is relevant to the fact that you decided to drag this conversation into the mud for no particularly good reason.

How many people have you blocked now? lol.

Like 4-5. Basically every conservative on the site who feels like I'm insulting them personally whenever I insult one of this country's worst modern presidents. People like you and Maluma can be a bit on the rude/blunt side, and you like to make generalizations, but at least you aren't thin-skinned. So it is possible for you to carry a conversation without it devolving into a mud-slinging contest.

 

[SG854]

Never hid it?

you should switch back to your k-pop avatars. it made you more recognizable.

back to the topic at hand. The whole trade dispute thing has been turned into a side show.

I like to mix things up and throw people off. I use to have a bunch of Anime and Anime style avatars. Before that Marvel and Comic Book type characters. Alien and Predator. Then joke ones like a random old lady and some random baby with glasses giving a thumbs up.


The whole trade tariff thing is bad. The Tariffs are not a good thing. And prices are rising. I was against them from the beginning.


I wanted to hear more from Yang but apparently his mic had problems.

Riiight.


We were 8-9 pages deep into a discussion that had already been taken way off-topic, a discussion you had no involvement in. You decided to seek my comments out specifically, so I think you know who to blame for putting me at the center of attention, if that's indeed where I'm at.


We've all got our positive and negative attributes to contend with, English just happens to be one of my strong suits. I can't help it if that creates a negative perception of me in the eyes of people used to the level of discourse over at 8chan. I can tell you that my math skills are subpar at best, and there are several subjects which I have zero knowledge about. Of course, none of this is relevant to the fact that you decided to drag this conversation into the mud for no particularly good reason.


Like 4-5. Basically every conservative on the site who feels like I'm insulting them personally whenever I insult one of this country's worst modern presidents. People like you and Maluma can be a bit on the rude/blunt side, and you like to make generalizations, but at least you aren't thin-skinned. So it is possible for you to carry a conversation without it devolving into a mud-slinging contest.

Ya Sorry, about being rude. I don’t hate you or anyone else I debate. It’s just all talking. Some of the stuff I say can come off as rude. And I think some of it is lost online when you can’t use tone of voice and it’s all just text. And I think blocking people over these stuff is ridiculous. But I got nothing against anyone here. That’ll be dumb over topics like these and people are sharing thoughts and opinions. And I don’t really hold grudges it’s just a waste of time.

 

[tabzer]

Riiight.

I don't have to like Trump to recognize the hypocrisy in your own grand-standing. Everything you say is established on the idea that you are better than someone, and it is clearly not the case.

We were 8-9 pages deep into a discussion that had already been taken way off-topic, a discussion you had no involvement in. You decided to seek my comments out specifically, so I think you know who to blame for putting me at the center of attention, if that's indeed where I'm at.

Sorry I wasn't here first, dude.

English just happens to be one of my strong suits.

No, it isn't. Comprehension of English requires comprehension of logic. You may think you have an extended vocabulary and that makes you smart, or maybe you are just a grammar nazi raised on spell-check, but to be good at English is to also be good at communication. Really you are just someone who wants to talk about themselves and gloat, but needs hot topic political issues as an excuse to do so. Nobody loves Trump more than you.

 

[Xzi]

I don't have to like Trump to recognize the hypocrisy in your own grand-standing. Everything you say is established on the idea that you are better than someone, and it is clearly not the case.

Multiple times I've stated that it shouldn't be asking too much for a president who's more intelligent than the average American. It's not about me, no matter how much you want to frame it that way. Trump's primary issue isn't that he's stupid, either, but instead that he surrounds himself with sycophants out to serve their own interests regardless of how damaging that might be to the country at large.

Sorry I wasn't here first, dude.

Again, not the issue. Your lack of any meaningful contribution is. You came to this thread with the sole intent of starting shit, so you shouldn't be surprised when it gets thrown back in your face.

No, it isn't. Comprehension of English requires comprehension of logic. You may think you have an extended vocabulary and that makes you smart, or maybe you are just a grammar nazi raised on spell-check, but to be good at English is to also be good at communication.

It's clear that you've understood every nuanced and not-so-nuanced point I've made in this conversation, that means I'm a sufficiently effective communicator. The fact that you hate my opinions and often get triggered by them is a different subject entirely that has nothing to with my effectiveness as a communicator.

Really you are just someone who wants to talk about themselves and gloat, but needs hot topic political issues as an excuse to do so.

If I want to discuss my personal life, I'll make a blog post. Again, you're the one putting the focus on me due to your inability to stick to the topic at hand. A new thread will be necessary for the next set of debates because of all the garbage you've helped to fill this one with.

 

[cots]

The following quote inferred that I already tried:



Which adds further emphasis to missing the point.



See. It's not that I like or dislike Trump. It's just that you give him more appeal the more you try to be a center of attention. It's ironic and pathetic. To top it off, you want both see yourself and be seen as smart. I'm doing you a favor. It's not smart to reject the existence of intelligence in your adversaries. It's just as easy for an adversary to do the same to you. It doesn't require anything "special". You've taken the level of denial to such an incredible display that it is hard consider you level-headed.

When I hate something I tend to avoid discussing it or generally thinking about it because I don't enjoy being miserable. It's funny how people are so obsessed with one man that they blame him for everything wrong that happens in their lives and can't help, but to follow Trump's every move. It's like all they see in my last sentence is the word Trump and are so filled with hatred and outrage they miss the point. Is having to dodge your own personal responsibility for the way things are going in your life that important? Xzi seems to really enjoy being part of the shit talking crowd. Who knows, maybe this is the first time in his life he feels accepted. If so I feel sorry for him because the type of people doing the accepting aren't the type of people you should be looking for acceptance from.

 

[Xzi]

Xzi seems to really enjoy being part of the shit talking crowd..

Or maybe I've been involved with political discussion and debate since high school, and it's something I enjoy as long as all parties involved manage to stay level-headed and cordial toward one another. Hurl as many insults as you want at Hillary Clinton, I couldn't possibly care less. At the end of the day, however, Trump is the guy in office, and he's going to be the one who gets the blame/backlash when the consequences of his policy decisions come back to bite the entire country in the ass. People who can't deal with that reality have no business attempting to involve themselves in political discussion.

 

[cots]

Or maybe I've been involved with political discussion and debate since high school, and it's something I enjoy as long as all parties involved manage to stay level-headed and cordial toward one another. Hurl as many insults as you want at Hillary Clinton, I couldn't possibly care less. At the end of the day, however, Trump is the guy in office, and he's going to be the one who gets the blame/backlash when the consequences of his policy decisions come back to bite the entire country in the ass. People who can't deal with that reality have no business attempting to involve themselves in political discussion.

Well, that's finally something I believe. If your school chose your political preference for you then I understand that's one lousy school and it explains your lack of intelligence and commonsense. How long ago did you graduate? 1 or 2 years, because clearly you haven't learned anything new since then. This is why school's shouldn't push a political preference on thier students, they should teach thier students how to actually think for themselves and leave politics out of it. Thanks for being a prime example of how this problem effects students after they graduate. If you ever learn any real non-democrat pretend critical thinking skills let me know otherwise you're staying on my ignore list and this is my last message to you that you're ever going to get the privilege of enjoying.

 

[Deleted-401606]

Trump is way above average intelligence. Just lol at people in this thread really believing otherwise. Dunning-Kruger effect at it's finest.

 

[Deleted User]

Trump is way above average intelligence. Just lol at people in this thread really believing otherwise. Dunning-Kruger effect at it's finest.

Trump can't even form coherent sentences.

I can say this, Trump is really good at convincing idiots he's really smart.

 

[Lacius]

Trump is way above average intelligence. Just lol at people in this thread really believing otherwise. Dunning-Kruger effect at it's finest.

There's a lot of evidence that Trump either a.) Isn't very smart, or b.) Pretends to not be very smart

The Dunning-Kruger Effect is also irrelevant, as we are talking about someone else.

 

[Xzi]

Well, that's finally something I believe. If your school chose your political preference for you then I understand that's one lousy school and it explains your lack of intelligence and commonsense.

So your reading comprehension is for shit, or this is just more bad faith garbage coming from you. Either way not worth a response. Be sure to keep me on ignore so my comments can't hurt your fee-fees again.

 

[Lacius]

So your reading comprehension is for shit, or this is just more bad faith garbage coming from you. Either way not worth a response. Be sure to keep me on ignore so my comments can't hurt your fee-fees again.

You can look back at my posts in this thread for why I stopped wasting my time with this one.

 

[cots]

Trump can't even form coherent sentences.

I can say this, Trump is really good at convincing idiots he's really smart.

Underestimating your enemies is why the Democrats lost the Presidential election. If they keep it up they're going to lose again. Trump loves that he's outsmarting the Liberals at almost every turn and they are too stupid to realize why. I'll look for more Liberal outrage in the news tomorrow and rest sound in my conclusion.

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You can be good at spelling and grammar, but actually being able to communicate honestly in an accurate and informative way that is comprehensivable outweighs your simple book knowledge. Trump's use of English in this manner seems to work just fine for him otherwise he wouldn't be our President. You claim he's stupid, but at the same time hold him responsible for everything that happens that you dislike. Clearly if he's responsible for the sun setting he's not that dumb.

 

[Lacius]

Underestimating your enemies is why the Democrats lost the Presidential election. If they keep it up they're going to lose again. Trump loves that he's outsmarting the Liberals at almost every turn and they are too stupid to realize why. I'll look for more Liberal outrage in the news tomorrow and rest sound in my conclusion.

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You can be good at spelling and grammar, but actually being able to communicate honestly in an accurate and informative way that is comprehensivable outweighs your simple book knowledge. Trump's use of English in this manner seems to work just fine for him otherwise he wouldn't be our President. You claim he's stupid, but at the same time hold him responsible for everything that happens that you dislike. Clearly if he's responsible for the sun setting he's not that dumb.

A person can be stupid and evil at the same time. Often times, the former can lead to the latter.

 

[0x3000027E]

A person can be stupid and evil at the same time. Often times, the former can lead to the latter.

Often times, the former can lead to the latter.

Otherwise its conjecture.

 

[osaka35]

With politics, and even more so in the US than other places, the perception of the thing usually replaces the actual thing. If he seems like someone you can get a beer with, he must be a good guy. And good guys will fight for the normal person, because that's what makes a good guy a good guy. Right? right?

As long as the economy seems to be doing okay for you, then just vote for whoever's currently in office. As long as they speak to your ideals, then how they actually vote and act don't matter. As long as a politician says they're fiscally conservative or socially responsible, then vote for them because they can't just lie about things like that. If there are any issues, then it must be the other person's fault, certainly not the one I voted for.

As long as you think a thing is true, if you're told the thing is true by an authority figure, the facts and figures hardly matter. You can cherry pick whatever supports you, because you're obviously right so why bother looking deeper into it? Your right, they're wrong. They should be putting in the effort to understand why yours is the right way, not the other way around.

There's so much talking past each other, conceptual frameworks based on biased and incorrect information, idealogically different goals, and other things in conversations like this. But the things that get me the most is when folks support a politician who actively fight against what that person believes.

tl;dr: What does being a conservative/liberal/centrist/etc mean to you? What qualities and idealogies should they show and support? What kind of laws should they pass? Why?