Are you American? Are you circumcized? Then you NEED to watch this

[Xzi]

Wtf even is this thread.

There's no issue with sensitivity on a circumcised penis, that much I can tell you from experience. In fact the belief for a long time was that circumcision actually increased sensitivity. I'm sure with large enough sample sizes, we'd find that there's minimal/no real difference either way.

 

[cearp]

There's no issue with sensitivity on a circumcised penis, that much I can tell you from experience.

yeah for you it's not numb lol - but it's less sensitive than it should be, because your skin is thicker there than it should be.
https://www.circinfo.org/Warren.html

 

[FGFlann]

babies don't have human rights

What the fuck, indeed. As far as the weak apologetics for this practice go, this one takes the cake.

I'd encourage any prospective parent to watch a video of a newborn being circumcized, to see if they still feel the indifference towards the procedure after they see the child howling in agony while part of it is cut away forever.

 

[Taleweaver]

Female circumcision is often having the clitoris removed. It would be the equivalent of having the head of your penis removed completely. Quite a different scenario.

I'm not so sure about the scenario being so different. The foreskin keeps the head hidden, and as such: sensitive. I know one testimony isn't much to go on, but I read about someone having a circumcision on a later age, and he described what would be logical: with the sensitive part "out in the open" (that is, in the underwear), it hardens and loses its sensitivity. The result for him was that sexual intercourse was dramatically less enjoyable.

The reason so many Americans are circumcised is because it was pushed into the mainstream here really hard back in like the 40s or 50s. It became the social norm.

Ouch...that really sucks.
I hardly dare to ask, but...what's roughly the percentage of cut males over there?

It's really a non issue, if you feel like your kids should be circumcised, from my experience there seems to be no down side with only a wider variety of American women who will probably sleep with you... That to me seems like a pretty large upside in favor of doing it.

Hmm...I'll admit that it's a strong argument.
But in a more serious answer: if that's really an upside, then by all means LET THE KIDS DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES! (when they come of age, obviously)

This is true all over the world. It hardly justifies "fixing" (a word that does not represent what it actually is) a dog at 4 months when the consequences on his natural development are horrendous.

And responsible dog owners don't let their dog walk around freely. It's a bit more difficult for cats I'll admit.

Sorry, but I really gotta side with @WeedZ and a few others here. Of course, the fact that I have a bitch on my lap just about everyday makes me subjective.

When we got her neutered, she was a bit groggy for a day and walked a bit funny for a week (which for a large part had to do with the proverbial diaper she had to wear to prevent her clawing at the operation wires underneath her belly*. After that, it was EXACTLY as if nothing had happened. I'm very willing to line up a few dogs and bet all my savings on that you can't tell by their behavior which one is neutered and which one isn't. That whole "it'll calm them down" might be true, but I certainly can't tell.

And...isn't it weird that you talk about a single routine operation as being torture, while at the same time assessing that you should never let your dog run around freely. Any dog owner can tell you that the difference between a dog on a leech and a dog that runs free is a major one. Of course you need responsibility, but jezus...dogs really need to be able to run free from time to time (within boundaries, of course. As dog owners, you're still responsible what might happen. But suddenly having to take care of a whole nest shouldn't be one of the risks).

*if we let nature run her course on THAT, she would've scarred herself for life.

 

[WeedZ]

I'm not so sure about the scenario being so different. The foreskin keeps the head hidden, and as such: sensitive. I know one testimony isn't much to go on, but I read about someone having a circumcision on a later age, and he described what would be logical: with the sensitive part "out in the open" (that is, in the underwear), it hardens and loses its sensitivity. The result for him was that sexual intercourse was dramatically less enjoyable.


Ouch...that really sucks.
I hardly dare to ask, but...what's roughly the percentage of cut males over there?

Hmm...I'll admit that it's a strong argument.
But in a more serious answer: if that's really an upside, then by all means LET THE KIDS DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES! (when they come of age, obviously)


Sorry, but I really gotta side with @WeedZ and a few others here. Of course, the fact that I have a bitch on my lap just about everyday makes me subjective.

When we got her neutered, she was a bit groggy for a day and walked a bit funny for a week (which for a large part had to do with the proverbial diaper she had to wear to prevent her clawing at the operation wires underneath her belly*. After that, it was EXACTLY as if nothing had happened. I'm very willing to line up a few dogs and bet all my savings on that you can't tell by their behavior which one is neutered and which one isn't. That whole "it'll calm them down" might be true, but I certainly can't tell.

And...isn't it weird that you talk about a single routine operation as being torture, while at the same time assessing that you should never let your dog run around freely. Any dog owner can tell you that the difference between a dog on a leech and a dog that runs free is a major one. Of course you need responsibility, but jezus...dogs really need to be able to run free from time to time (within boundaries, of course. As dog owners, you're still responsible what might happen. But suddenly having to take care of a whole nest shouldn't be one of the risks).

*if we let nature run her course on THAT, she would've scarred herself for life.

I don't know what the exact percentage is, but its definitely a majority. I'd guess at least a solid 80%.

 

[dimmidice]

Wtf even is this thread.

There's no issue with sensitivity on a circumcised penis, that much I can tell you from experience. In fact the belief for a long time was that circumcision actually increased sensitivity. I'm sure with large enough sample sizes, we'd find that there's minimal/no real difference either way.

When were you circumcised? As a baby?

 

[Xzi]

yeah for you it's not numb lol - but it's less sensitive than it should be, because your skin is thicker there than it should be.
https://www.circinfo.org/Warren.html

Honestly if it was less sensitive that would've been helpful for some of my younger years, rofl.

When were you circumcised? As a baby?

Yeah. My brother wasn't circumcised and my parents aren't Jewish, so it was just kind of the thing to do culturally for a while. Considering the dude is usually circumcised in porn, it's probably still very common in the US.

 

[dimmidice]

Honestly if it was less sensitive that would've been helpful for some of my younger years, rofl.


Yeah. My brother wasn't circumcised and my parents aren't Jewish, so it was just kind of the thing to do culturally for a while. Considering the dude is usually circumcised in porn, it's probably still very common in the US.

If you had it from birth you have absolutely no basis for the claim that it doesn't harm sensitivity. Because it's all you've ever known.

 

[Xzi]

If you had it from birth you have absolutely no basis for the claim that it doesn't harm sensitivity. Because it's all you've ever known.

Well hopefully we don't get too many adult circumcisions reporting in.

What's exposed by circumcision is also very sensitive, not just the head, which is plenty sensitive on its own. That said, I think studying this objectively would be near impossible, because different people already have different sensitivity levels and experience pleasure in different ways without taking circumcision into account.

 

[wormdood]

If you had it from birth you have absolutely no basis for the claim that it doesn't harm sensitivity. Because it's all you've ever known.

i cant believe anyone who cant experience would say there is no difference . . . i know its a a little bit of a stretch but a colorblind man does not feel anything is missing when he sees a rainbow as he can still see all the shades of grey he is used to and while the normal man will feel sorry for the colorblind man he will not care as it was never an issue for him . . . imagine if you were rendered colorblind at birth because it was the thing to do

 

[Xzi]

i cant believe anyone who cant experience would say there is no difference . . . i know its a a little bit of a stretch but a colorblind man does not feel anything is missing when he sees a rainbow as he can still see all the shades of grey he is used to and while the normal man will feel sorry for the colorblind man he will not care as it was never an issue for him . . . imagine if you were rendered colorblind at birth because it was the thing to do

As long as a dude can get his rocks off he's not going to feel like or care that he's supposedly "missing out" on something better. The grass is always greener on the other side. Everybody just needs to enjoy their own experience.

 

[WeedZ]

i cant believe anyone who cant experience would say there is no difference . . . i know its a a little bit of a stretch but a colorblind man does not feel anything is missing when he sees a rainbow as he can still see all the shades of grey he is used to and while the normal man will feel sorry for the colorblind man he will not care as it was never an issue for him . . . imagine if you were rendered colorblind at birth because it was the thing to do

Except everyone seems to care about our weiners.

But the way, don't we all feel something missing?

 

[Taleweaver]

Okay...just watched the entire movie of the opening post. Man...that guy is seriously PISSED!!!

Worse: he's pissed with very good reason and brings strong stuff. Researches, quotes, context...you name it. Yes, it's a long watch, but a pretty darn interesting one. I don't just say that because it aligns with my own view on the topic (which kind of makes my posts in this thread at best as someone blatantly copying the topic), but because the guy honestly, really sees this as an issue. And backs up why that is.

Nonetheless, the OP could've used a summary. He brings his speech down to five bullet points (Clopper's Five Censored Facts) which he'll reveal as he goes along. If you want, you can skip to around 1:35. From that point on, it's more of a global view on the matter rather than breaking everything down.

To those lazy or at work: here are the points he discusses (and to a very decent degree: proves) :

Spoiler

1) rabbis designed and implemented circumcision to damage Jewish children's sexuality
2) American physicians adopted circumcision to damage our children's sexuality
3) circumcision significantly damages you for life. the foreskin is important
4) the US media continues to feed us the AAP's Circumcision Recommendation which is a blatant unapologetically LIE motivated by religious ideologies
5) male and female circumcision are identical

 

[markehmus]

wow "life threatening mutilation of a baby"

its not like they use a double bladed ax and pin the head down like a chicken.

"harvesting" haha , its not like the skin is kept by the hospital.

my twins foreskins fell off in a diaper and was taken out in the trash. no knife was used , no risk of death , not even as much pain as getting an ear pierced .... and yes i watched both get circumcised and there was less pain shown than my teenage daughters getting their ears pierced.

and if circumcision deadens the sensitivity of the skin on the penis by it not having this lil protective tuque its not like i noticed or want less sex, its fukn amazing still.

....and your wife or girlfriend will be thankful cuz i bet they already bitch you dont last long enough.


i see fear of the unknown plays a big part on this morally biased set of videos, and the opinions of these people who lived in a forum instead of getting out there.

 

[wormdood]

Except everyone seems to care about our weiners.

my point though is we are colorblind-ly ignorant and that is the only reason we dont raise a stink. while in the grand scheme of things we had what is debate-ably either our most sensitive part (or at the very least the casing to which that would serve to keep the sensitive part sensitive) removed without consent nor the chance to use it . . . that in itself, dicks aside (. . . ba dum dum tiss) is/should be enough reason for this barbaric act to be relocated from America (/anywhere else they are idiotic enough to practice this act) to the history books

 

[dAVID_]

I think the "circumcision reduces the chance of getting an STD" argument is weak, because it doesn't offer a significant change over an uncircumcised penis.
Another common fallacy used by people to justify circumcision is the appeal to tradition, stating that because the members of X family have always been circumcised, therefore it's correct to circumcise babies without their consent. You can see the circular logic here. By that same logic, treating homosexuals as mentally diseased people is also correct, as that's the way society thought for many centuries.

 

[FGFlann]

wow "life threatening mutilation of a baby"

its not like they use a double bladed ax and pin the head down like a chicken.

"harvesting" haha , its not like the skin is kept by the hospital.

my twins foreskins fell off in a diaper and was taken out in the trash. no knife was used , no risk of death , not even as much pain as getting an ear pierced .... and yes i watched both get circumcised and there was less pain shown than my teenage daughters getting their ears pierced.

and if circumcision deadens the sensitivity of the skin on the penis by it not having this lil protective tuque its not like i noticed or want less sex, its fukn amazing still.

....and your wife or girlfriend will be thankful cuz i bet they already bitch you dont last long enough.


i see fear of the unknown plays a big part on this morally biased set of videos, and the opinions of these people who lived in a forum instead of getting out there.

Any surgical procedure carries a risk, even if the risk of that procedure is low. Circumcision does lead to death in rare cases, also infection, necrosis and total loss of the penis. For what is essentially a vanity procedure, it is a shocking thing to do to one's child.

Interesting tidbit is that foreskins are actually reused in other medical procedures and also in the cosmetics industry. The latter is quite grim if you ask me.

I shouldn't really touch on the shaming language at the end there, as I personally believe the sexual ramifications are the least important part of the issue, but it sounds an awful lot like projection.

 

[dAVID_]

I also think the "your child is your property" argument isn't very well-founded. Sure, you have a right to make decisions affecting your children, so long as you can prove that it benefits them. In the case of circumcision, the chances of acquiring an STD between a circumcised and a non-circumcised penis is insignificant.

 

[Song of storms]

Except everyone seems to care about our weiners.

Again, feel free to skin your own dick as much as you want. Just leave the infants alone.

 

[markehmus]

Any surgical procedure carries a risk, even if the risk of that procedure is low. Circumcision does lead to death in rare cases, also infection, necrosis and total loss of the penis. For what is essentially a vanity procedure, it is a shocking thing to do to one's child.

Interesting tidbit is that foreskins are actually reused in other medical procedures and also in the cosmetics industry. The latter is quite grim if you ask me.

I shouldn't really touch on the shaming language at the end there, as I personally believe the sexual ramifications are the least important part of the issue, but it sounds an awful lot like projection.

maybe in archaic times, but now theres no cut what so ever , its a small cap and an elastic ... not some knife and skin kept like some afterbirth
.... but you keep believing the bullshit you hear instead of watching it twice like i have , its simple, less painful than a piercing and falls off in the diaper not in the hospital . its not some surgery like you are led to believe.

and your generation should really enjoy this part , you have much less cleaning to do throughout the rest of your life.

...oh and assholes , ears and lips are all cut off the cow and disposed of , ... but hey i bet you fell for that shit when you were told that they were put in hotdogs