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This makes no sense. You believe this country should have only one political party? That's how we end up a Banana Republic.

In fact, we need far more political parties added as options in the US. Divisions don't have to be a bad thing, we can take the best ideas from multiple viewpoints and implement them. The only reason things are so heated right now is that the leaders of the right-wing are being extremely combative. Trump has never once tried to be a president to all of us, he only panders to his base.


Your mistake is believing that Republicans aren't often complete hypocrites about the subject, and don't get abortions themselves. They are and they do.
You misunderstand me. I'm not saying multiple parties are a bad thing. Libertarians sprang up because they were dissatisfied with the republican party which is supposed to be conservative. On the other side the democrats are supposed to be liberal but they left that behind years ago. They have become so radical that they are now basically socialist. Most old Democrat voters are not even aware how far left their party has gone. They stick by them because they don't know what they've become. Someone needs to break away from the democrats and form a new party that is true to their original ideals.
The divide and conquer of which I speak is the people pushing agendas to divide our population. Agendas such as race. Racial tension had died down so much as to almost become non existent before obama took office and then after his 8 years in office they were suddenly higher than they had been in years. That's more than mere coincidence.
 

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On the other side the democrats are supposed to be liberal but they left that behind years ago. They have become so radical that they are now basically socialist.
That's ridiculous. The last Democratic presidential nominee was Hillary Clinton. It doesn't get much more centrist-bureaucrat than that. Until Bernie Sanders or another progressive actually wins the nomination, Democrats have been playing things too safe and too close to the center. Trump is an extremist, and that helped him win because people are tired of 'status quo' politicians.

Someone needs to break away from the democrats and form a new party that is true to their original ideals.
You must not know your history very well. Democrats have been getting called 'Socialists' since the days of FDR. It's just the right-wing crying wolf at this point, and they're driving more people to the left-wing as a result.

The divide and conquer of which I speak is the people pushing agendas to divide our population. Agendas such as race. Racial tension had died down so much as to almost become non existent before obama took office and then after his 8 years in office they were suddenly higher than they had been in years. That's more than mere coincidence.
Give me a break. He was the first black president ever elected, of course there was going to be some 'racial tension' among people who don't like the idea of change. You can't blame Obama himself as the cause of it, though.
 

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But just when did the Democratic Party begin its slide down the road toward the Socialist/Communist ideology? It really began around 1944, when the six-time Socialist Party candidate for President Norman Thomas stated:
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.... I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform."

Next step:The 1960's, Socialist Saul Alinsky, a very good friend of Presidential hopeful, Hillary Clinton. Saul Alinsky stated that to change a society, one had to first infiltrate the major institutions, the school, the media, the churches, the entertainment industries, the labor unions, and the three branches of government, and then it would have the power to implement policies.



1972 elections: Democratic Party effectively eliminated its opposition--the centrist liberals who had viciously opposed Communist totalitarianism. Once the Centrists in the Democratic Party were eliminated, the New Left took over the Democratic Party and incorporated the "liberalism" word it had destroyed through earlier elections. It was here that Socialism began its move into the depths of the Democratic Party, with Hillary Rodham Clinton actually writing letters to Saul Alinsky telling him how great his work was and that his ideas were working well.


2001-2004: Democrats under the cloak of Campaign Finance Reform included a small provision called the 527 Organizations, which allowed ultra-radicals like themselves to give unlimited sums of money to only the Democrats. The 527 included one George Soros, who was one of the leaders of the "Shadow Party." But it does not stop here; one of the groups inside the Shadow Party is none other than George Soros's own, MoveOn.org. It was after John Kerry lost the 2004 election that these groups stated; "Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it."



Today's ruling Democratic Party faction, whose members include the so-called "Shadow Party" and its constituent elements, call themselves "progressive Democrats." These Democrats themselves have a leftwing faction in the House of Representatives which is formally organized into the Progressive Caucus. The word "progressive" has been replaced with "Liberal," and Socialist Bernie Sanders was the founder of the Progressive Caucus. This should trouble people who love their freedom and liberties because the Socialists do not like either one and will lie and steal to remove both from the United States.


2009,
former DNC Chairman Howard Dean said that "cooperation" between European socialists and the Democratic Party had "intensified significantly" over the preceding several years and involved "regular contact" at "Congress, Senate, party and foundation levels." He added that "efforts have been remarkable from both sides." Howard Dean actually said that the Socialists are making significant gains in the Democratic Party, and that was in 2009, when the extreme Socialist Barack Obama was elected to office.


In April 2010, the official website of the Social Democrats USA (SDUSA) revealed that organization's ties to the Democratic Party. Describing itself as a "Party Within a Party," SDUSA stated the following:


"The Social Democrats, USA kept the name Socialist Party for our political arm and The Socialist Party, USA, in 1956, chose to stop running candidates of its own, except on rare occasion. During the 1960's, we began to work in the Democratic Party"


"Our movement has been involved in the left wing of the Democratic Party since 1947. Socialist Party members helped found Americans for Democratic Action. ADA is this country's premiere "anti-Communist, liberal" organization. We are proud of our long relationships with Eleanor Roosevelt, Hubert Humphrey, and others. We look forward to forging a good working relationship with our fellow pro-labor, anti-totalitarian, left Democrats."



It may not surprise some to find out who organized the Shadow Party, but it will surely surprise many who think the names are wrong:


Here, the term "Shadow Party" is used specifically to refer to the network of non-profit activist groups organized by George Soros and others to mobilize resources -- money, get-out-the-vote drives, campaign advertising, and policy initiatives -- to advance Democratic Party agendas, elect Democratic candidates, and guide the Democratic Party ever-further towards the left. The Shadow Party in this sense was conceived and organized principally by Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Harold Ickes. Its efforts are amplified by, and coordinated with, key government unions and the activist groups associated with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN).
 

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But just when did the Democratic Party begin its slide down the road toward the Socialist/Communist ideology? It really began around 1944, when the six-time Socialist Party candidate for President Norman Thomas stated:
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.... I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform."

Next step:The 1960's, Socialist Saul Alinsky, a very good friend of Presidential hopeful, Hillary Clinton. Saul Alinsky stated that to change a society, one had to first infiltrate the major institutions, the school, the media, the churches, the entertainment industries, the labor unions, and the three branches of government, and then it would have the power to implement policies.



1972 elections: Democratic Party effectively eliminated its opposition--the centrist liberals who had viciously opposed Communist totalitarianism. Once the Centrists in the Democratic Party were eliminated, the New Left took over the Democratic Party and incorporated the "liberalism" word it had destroyed through earlier elections. It was here that Socialism began its move into the depths of the Democratic Party, with Hillary Rodham Clinton actually writing letters to Saul Alinsky telling him how great his work was and that his ideas were working well.


2001-2004: Democrats under the cloak of Campaign Finance Reform included a small provision called the 527 Organizations, which allowed ultra-radicals like themselves to give unlimited sums of money to only the Democrats. The 527 included one George Soros, who was one of the leaders of the "Shadow Party." But it does not stop here; one of the groups inside the Shadow Party is none other than George Soros's own, MoveOn.org. It was after John Kerry lost the 2004 election that these groups stated; "Now it's our Party: we bought it, we own it."



Today's ruling Democratic Party faction, whose members include the so-called "Shadow Party" and its constituent elements, call themselves "progressive Democrats." These Democrats themselves have a leftwing faction in the House of Representatives which is formally organized into the Progressive Caucus. The word "progressive" has been replaced with "Liberal," and Socialist Bernie Sanders was the founder of the Progressive Caucus. This should trouble people who love their freedom and liberties because the Socialists do not like either one and will lie and steal to remove both from the United States.


2009,
former DNC Chairman Howard Dean said that "cooperation" between European socialists and the Democratic Party had "intensified significantly" over the preceding several years and involved "regular contact" at "Congress, Senate, party and foundation levels." He added that "efforts have been remarkable from both sides." Howard Dean actually said that the Socialists are making significant gains in the Democratic Party, and that was in 2009, when the extreme Socialist Barack Obama was elected to office.


In April 2010, the official website of the Social Democrats USA (SDUSA) revealed that organization's ties to the Democratic Party. Describing itself as a "Party Within a Party," SDUSA stated the following:


"The Social Democrats, USA kept the name Socialist Party for our political arm and The Socialist Party, USA, in 1956, chose to stop running candidates of its own, except on rare occasion. During the 1960's, we began to work in the Democratic Party"


"Our movement has been involved in the left wing of the Democratic Party since 1947. Socialist Party members helped found Americans for Democratic Action. ADA is this country's premiere "anti-Communist, liberal" organization. We are proud of our long relationships with Eleanor Roosevelt, Hubert Humphrey, and others. We look forward to forging a good working relationship with our fellow pro-labor, anti-totalitarian, left Democrats."



It may not surprise some to find out who organized the Shadow Party, but it will surely surprise many who think the names are wrong:


Here, the term "Shadow Party" is used specifically to refer to the network of non-profit activist groups organized by George Soros and others to mobilize resources -- money, get-out-the-vote drives, campaign advertising, and policy initiatives -- to advance Democratic Party agendas, elect Democratic candidates, and guide the Democratic Party ever-further towards the left. The Shadow Party in this sense was conceived and organized principally by Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Harold Ickes. Its efforts are amplified by, and coordinated with, key government unions and the activist groups associated with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN).
The shift started happening after 1994. The Right slightly moves more right, while the left really moved way far left.

From Pew Research. They moved heavily away from American median norms.

https://www.people-press.org/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/



Chart from the Economist. No matter what chart you look, or what different research you look at, Democrats have the most extreme shift while Republicans remain close to center with very slight shift to the right.

20180922_USC938_0.png
 
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Here, the term "Shadow Party" is used specifically to refer to the network of non-profit activist groups organized by George Soros and others to mobilize resources -- money, get-out-the-vote drives, campaign advertising, and policy initiatives -- to advance Democratic Party agendas, elect Democratic candidates, and guide the Democratic Party ever-further towards the left.
This literally just sounds like normal campaigning/mega-donor behavior. Except the DNC establishment doesn't give a damn about pushing the party further left.

The Shadow Party in this sense was conceived and organized principally by Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Harold Ickes.
You know your conspiracy theory is bogus when it hinges on these three somehow being "far-left socialists" instead of the corporate centrists that they actually are. It's the reason corporate interests couldn't lose in a race between Hillary and Trump, they were both on a leash held by mega-donors. Bernie Sanders was the only person in the 2016 race who fell outside of that paradigm.

The shift started happening after 1994. The Right slightly moves more right, while the left really moved way far left.
The entire world has slowly moved to the left, otherwise we'd all be stuck in the dark ages when religion reigned supreme and science was blasphemy. That's the nature of progress and the reason we have a 'progressive' wing of the party. So the standard of living and the state of human rights don't end up declining more and more for future generations. Only the US has been resistant to providing what every other modern first-world country has available in that regard.
 
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This literally just sounds like normal campaigning/mega-donor behavior. Except the DNC establishment doesn't give a damn about pushing the party further left.


You know your conspiracy theory is bogus when it hinges on these three somehow being "far-left socialists" instead of the corporate centrists that they actually are. It's the reason corporate interests couldn't lose in a race between Hillary and Trump, they were both on a leash held by mega-donors. Bernie Sanders was the only person in the 2016 race who fell outside of that paradigm.


The entire world has slowly moved to the left, otherwise we'd all be stuck in the dark ages when religion reigned supreme and science was blasphemy. That's the nature of progress and the reason we have a 'progressive' wing of the party. So the standard of living and the state of human rights don't end up declining more and more for future generations. Only the US has been resistant to providing what every other modern first-world country has available in that regard.
The right isn’t the only science denier. Plenty of people on the left shutting down science because it goes against what they want to believe in. It’s hard to get funding for IQ research for this reason. The left more likely deny’s biology, and human psychology.
 
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Some people seem to think that socialism is always associated with communism and by itself brings the apocalypse.

It's... I mean I understand that's american propaganda 1:1, but it's socialism that can bring you some well needed safety nets such as health care or free school.
Not everything is bad in it, just like not everything is good with capitalism. Typically we live in a planet with finite resources and capitalism if applied "by the book" will just end up killing us all. What matters is to always keep an open mind and not automatically considering an idea bad because it comes from the opposite side. Hell, what a weird system where there's only 2 sides.
 
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The right isn’t the only science denier. Plenty of people on the left shutting down science because it goes against what they want to believe in.
If by "plenty" you mean a small percentage, then sure. You can be an anti-vaxxer or flat Earther on either side of the political aisle I suppose, but those that outright deny science in all forms are much more likely to be conservative.

It’s hard to get funding for IQ research for this reason.
I have no clue what you're talking about, IQ is not hard to measure. It's also far from the only consideration when determining a person's overall intelligence, but that's a different subject.

The left is more likely deny’s biology, and human psychology.
LGBTQ individuals aren't "denying biology" by expressing their sexual identity, that's not how it works. And psychology is just the study of how people think, including LGBTQ people.
 

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If by "plenty" you mean a small percentage, then sure. You can be an anti-vaxxer or flat Earther on either side of the political aisle I suppose, but those that outright deny science in all forms are much more likely to be conservative.
I don’t think so.

I have no clue what you're talking about, IQ is not hard to measure. It's also far from the only consideration when determining a person's overall intelligence, but that's a different subject.
It’s been known for a long time IQ research is hard to get funding for. And the only way they can get funding is to say they are doing it to help Down syndrome people.

LGBTQ individuals aren't "denying biology" by expressing their sexual identity, that's not how it works. And psychology is just the study of how people think, including LGBTQ people.
Not all LGBTIQ2S+ people are the same and believe the same. I never said being Gay or Trans wasn’t real. They are very real.

Human Psychology would be career choices, differences careers male and female chooses. Which is Universal in many cultures around the world.
 

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I don’t think so.
What do you mean you "don't think so?" It only makes sense. Tackling climate change and pushing for other breakthrough research is part of the Democratic platform. The Republican platform strips all funding for that type of thing and puts climate change deniers at the head of the EPA. I don't think there are even any science advisors left in the Trump administration at all.

It’s been known for a long time IQ research is hard to get funding for. And the only way they can get funding is to say they are doing it to help Down syndrome people.
Probably because large-scale studies of varying IQs would yield mostly-useless results. I don't know the specifics, of course, it could just be bureaucratic red tape holding it up instead.

Human Psychology would be career choices, differences careers male and female chooses. Which is Universal in many cultures around the world.
Stereotypes are not the same as a lens into the world of psychology. And different cultures do have different views about career choices. Asians introduced the idea to the states that men could be cooks and cleaners, and they were initially ridiculed as being 'more feminine' because of it.
 
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What do you mean you "don't think so?" It only makes sense. Tackling climate change and pushing for other breakthrough research is part of the Democratic platform. The Republican platform strips all funding for that type of thing and puts climate change deniers at the head of the EPA. I don't think there are even any science advisors left in the Trump administration at all.
Both Democrats and Republicans deny science, but deny different types of science that conflicts with their political view points.

More likely

The Right - Evolution, Climate Change
The Left - Evolutionary Psychology (Grievance Studies), Biology, Sexual Dimorphism, Sex Differences.

Probably because large-scale studies of varying IQs would yield mostly-useless results. I don't know the specifics, of course, it could just be bureaucratic red tape holding it up instead.
IQ research is considered the greatest achievement in Human Psychology. And the entire psychology field is based on testing standards IQ research has set.

Most IQ studies aren’t useless, and give more accurate results then anything else in psychology. If IQ research is useless then the whole field of psychology that gives less accurate results (like depression, transgenderism, suicide) is useless.

Stereotypes are not the same as a lens into the world of psychology. And different cultures do have different views about career choices. Asians introduced the idea to the states that men could be cooks and cleaners, and they were initially ridiculed as being 'more feminine' because of it.
It’s universal in many cultures in career choices male and females pick. The countries that have less differences are ones with less equality. The ones with higher equality has bigger career choice differences.
 

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Some people seem to think that socialism is always associated with communism and by itself brings the apocalypse.

It's... I mean I understand that's american propaganda 1:1, but it's socialism that can bring you some well needed safety nets such as health care or free school.
Not everything is bad in it, just like not everything is good with capitalism. Typically we live in a planet with finite resources and capitalism if applied "by the book" will just end up killing us all. What matters is to always keep an open mind and not automatically considering an idea bad because it comes from the opposite side. Hell, what a weird system where there's only 2 sides.

Here's the problem. Socialism is associated with communism and it's not even American propaganda. The liberal part of the socialist movement made a clear distinction in the early 20th century, dropped the marxist definition of socialism, wanted to work in a democratic framework and called themselves social democrats. They went on and became a major political force across Europe.

My parents grew up under a socialist regime and while they would probably be more aligned with democrats, because of their rhetoric alone they would likely never vote for them and that's a big problem. My parents still roll their eyes and grind their teeth when they hear social democrats refer to each other as comrades, talk about traumatizing and problematic history!
Heck, I even remember TYT not being very happy with Bernie calling himself a socialist instead of a social democrat during the 2016 election because he was obviously referring to European social democracy.
It's not a propaganda thing! If you hear someone describe themselves as a socialist it means either of these:
  • they're imprecise and mean they're a social democrat
  • they're ignorant of the part of history where the socialist movement has dropped authoritarianism in the early 20th century and want to reform it all over again
  • they're actual authoritarians
For someone seeking to be elected into a position of power I wouldn't be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this.

With regards to health care, I can see where both sides are coming from. I'm living in a country with a socialized health care system and it's exploiting health care workers like crazy. It's gotten to a point where no one wants to work in health care and the lack of nurses has caused hospitals in big cities like Munich to close entire stations. It's not cheap either, we're paying between 200€ and 800€ a month depending on how much you earn and as soon as you're getting close to the upper end you want to switch to private insurance because coverage will be much better and they can't change it willy nilly because it's an actual agreed upon contract.
Right now I would say it's really a question of whether you prioritize quality or availability, but it's not that easy because even availability over here is kinda bad, it's not uncommon for people to have to wait months for appointments. Availability for emergency care is good but that causes people to show up to hospitals as emergencies for silly stuff because getting a regular appointment in a doctors practice would take so long.
 
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This thread is so bogus, I dont know where to begin.. ;) Modern psychological research is based on IQ testing (method)? What the, where the, how? You mean the highly scientific studies of the mensa society? Post some of your proof on this one.. :) I'm interested in disecting it. :)

The only reference on those matters I have, really is Adam Curtis Century of the self (and that thats my only reference there isnt good), which basically states, that early psychological tests where highly subjective.

On evolutionary psychology - afaik the entire field is somewhat sketchy, because they are using a Darwin term to popularize their findings - without having understood anything that Darwin wrote. The prerequisite for natural selection from Darwins point of view is, that you can chill on an island without any foes to your species anywhere, thats one - and then survival of the fittest is not survival of the "strongest", but of the finch, that actually learns how to use a thorn of a cactus to pull larva. Everything I've read in the evolutionary psychology field, simply negates that - and rather presents itself as a self help outlet that teaches humans how do ideally become "successful alphas". I mean, you could just as well accept scientologys teachings, they are not far off. If I'm grossly misrepresenting the "field", again - please provide reading material, I'm actually interested. Also, in social sciences they have something akin to a validity problem. They found out themselves (many of their landmark studies werent reproducible with the same outcome).


Only centrist is good. Far left, far right is always bad. First - left and right is a concept to grossly simplify I dont know - political standings? It in itself means nothing. It vastly changes over time. (Just mentioning the american work camps for japanese during world war two here for no reason. We dont have those any more, in the entire western world.) I myself hold viewpoints from both spectrums at certain times, and any politically interested person will find themselves doing so over time. In Germany we currently have a debate about climate change, where the actual "probable" solutions are spread all over the spectrum and coupled with slogans, an notions that then drive certain political positions. If I only go with left or right there, I'd be an idiot that chooses emotionality of the argument ("but are you with the poorer people (yes)") over the argument itself. When you are interested in political solutions, you are constantly surfing the entire spectrum of whats out there. Some stuff is taboo for me (racism, mainly) but thats about it. The conservative party in germany picked a "we have to get out of nuclear power" stance just a couple of years back, just because they thought it to be popular, when the elections came around shortly after Fukushima was on everyones mind (and necessary). That position for years on end, was something only the far left wings of the green party would utter - and then, suddenly mainstream. Wait, how did that happen? Well, thats actually politics, and seperating believes into left and right is childsplay. ;) Because it changes.
Also, please tend to remember, that in Europe we have 5 or more parties in parliament all the time, so the seperation in just left and right looses at least some of its rallying power. :)

Now an argument for extremist believes. Humanity is a buch of idiots, prone to follow old believes, and leader types who most often are idiots as well. The allegory you usually bring, is one with fishermen. So someone detects where a swarm of fish is situated, then you have 90% of idiots imitating behavior because he was successful, 50% of them doing so for decades, because "it be tradition", and no one ever thinking - whats the point of all this. Then you have a far out there extremist actually saiying - eff this, I'll look around for other spots - and if they are successfull, the circle continues. And if they are not - they'll die being slightly socially unadjusted individuals. No progress comes from being centrist. Literally - none. ;) Liberals usually are the ones who recognize that most, but then - their views, as a result also are kind of out there.

Marx.

We have statues of Marx in Europe. He did coin a few concepts, that are still useful in the theoretical understanding of capitalism - today, he then pledged class warfair - which got him his bad name. To do that he pitched collectivism against a ruling class, in a way that some say HAD to end in disaster, and to their point, it pretty much did. Those werent "fair" societies. Regardless, what he wrote - is still taught in universities - and in the political sphere here in germany, he has become more of a symbol of a boogeyman, that people talk about - while thinking about the regime in east germany, which failed. (Because the americans brought the other part of germany democracy and capitalism, and the economic miracle, and a large product selection, and airbridges (Rosinenbomber).. ;) Lets just say - everyone liked the notion of germany being their anker point in another continent at that time.. :) ).
The statue, btw? A gift of the chinese. ;) (It actually was.)

Socialism.
In Europe that actually was a form of collectivism, that was and still is somewhat politically accepted. Thats what the social democrats (our big center left party for the better part of 70 years) derive the social from. What does colectivism mean in this case? Mostly unionization. Meaning, workers and entire occupational groups set minimal standards for their work - by themselves, no managers needed. Now the model that Europe was run by for centuries now, isnt that - but rather something called "social market economy". Which is the concept, that once the members of an occupational group have set their minimal standards, they actually get into talks with management, where they quarrel about whats economically viable. It also means, that there is actually a market economy as the main thing out there to regulate supply and demand. And thirdly, that there are social nets, that people in rough times can fall into, that prevent them from becoming homeless out of the gate, or to be engulfed in debt, because of a health problem they developed. Those are costs that we collectivized - so thats stuff that everyone pays for. Same with kindergardens, public swimming pools/halls, streets, police, and so on and so forth... Thats mostly what we think about, when someone mentions socialism. Not Stalin, Lenin, communists, and the FSB.. ;) But then, I freaking carefully picked my words here - because every political term in this field is so emotionally loaded, that people will dismiss entire sets of ideas, only because of a word you used. Its dumb.

Interestingly, we currently have a big societal debate, because the speaker of the "young social democrats" (in party academy for the next generation political material) just publicly announced, that maybe we should think about making certain private enterprices state owned again, and only share the profits between the workers themselves. Which didn't go over very well with the rest of the political spectrum. :) But yes, we still talk about that stuff.
 
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Part of the problem is lack of critical thinking skills. In college you are taught what a valid source of information is. Nowadays a lot of kids take youtube videos posted by a joe schmoe (sometimes not even being experts at a subject matter) that validates their world view as a valid and reputable source of information. That in itself is laughable. Critical thinking classes should be now a requirement before graduating high school.

Why did they make the internet accessible and attractive to the intellectually impaired?

Used to be a peaceful place once.

the invention of the smartphone is one of the greatest inventions yet one of the greatest tragedies of our lifetime.

@SG854 if you honestly believe that republicans have remained centrist since the 80's... You must have been asleep during the tea party shift of the last decade.
Also The Economist is a known publication to lean right wing. That would be like me posting a graph from msnbc to support my left leaning claims. Take it with a pinch of salt.

What do you mean you "don't think so?" It only makes sense. Tackling climate change and pushing for other breakthrough research is part of the Democratic platform. The Republican platform strips all funding for that type of thing and puts climate change deniers at the head of the EPA. I don't think there are even any science advisors left in the Trump administration at all.

Should we tell him that there is footage of plenty of conservative senators circa 2006-2007 admitting climate change is a thing and that we should stop it and how nearly all of them pretended it was not real just to take an opposite stance to Obama during the elections?
 
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Now the stuff I'm actually interested in myself.

Help me understand from HERE on out:

Whats the "I understand the world, Soros is a bad guy - you never know what hes up to" meme? Ok, so - they guy has money - they guy finances NGO groups, and universities, the guy is politically active, and the guy is pretty much up front about it.

Now just take the last part away - multiply by 20, and you have a rough estimation of what goes on in those circles (people with much money - become interested in politics, because they tend to want to keep it for several generations. Unless you are Bill Gates, and you pubilically state, that you dont want to, and rather engage in philantropic efforts instead, leaving your kids only a few million.). They all set up trusts (which in return finance NGOs roughly), they all finance think tanks, they all finance political campaigns.

The Mercers, for gods sake, financed the entire "how to manipulate people correctly through microtargeting on facebook" movement, all but created cambridge analytica, stated - that they did so, because to them it was a new "political tool", raised up Bannon, and got Trump elected - which in return. First thing in office, lowered the taxrates for the insanely rich.

What I want to understand is, where the outrage and hatred against Soros in particular is coming from.

One of his NGO's apparently helped migrants crossing over to Europe with leaflets they disributed.

Is that it?

I mean, to me this person in particular has become a focal point of everything "thats wrong with the world" according to the far right, and I want to understand why.

My position in the matter - I read stuff that project-syndicate.org puts out, which is at least co financed by Soros - and I think that some of their views on current events, arent dumb at all. And to calm you down - no, they dont talk about "exchanging populations as a whole" - like, at all. ;)

In any case - on that front, the far right won anyhow. During the migration crisis they got such a huge growth spike, that the center right parties in the entirety of europe had to move further to the right, or they would have lost political majorities over the migration issue alone. So thank Soros for his leaflets, actually.. ;)

Democracy is still at work. We havent forgotten about that yet.

The other popular political form of ruling countries currently is called oligarchy, btw - and its better suited to describe the likes of russia, or america (tax cuts for the wealthy, fracking - then buld a wall for the masses? (The manufacturing jobs didnt come back, if you havent noticed - but other ones were created (weak enthusiasm).)).
 
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Socialism.
In Europe that actually was a form of collectivism, that was and still is somewhat politically excepted. Thats what the social democrats (our big center left party for the better part of 70 years) derive the social from. What does colectivism mean in this case? Mostly unionization. Meaning, workers and entire occupational groups set minimal standards for their work - by themselves, no managers needed. Now the model that Europe was run by for centuries now, isnt that - but rather something called "social market economy". Which is the concept, that once the members of an occupational group have set their minimal standards, they actually get into talks with management, where they quarrel about whats economically viable. It also means, that there is actually a market economy as the main thing out there to regulate supply and demand. And thirdly, that there are social nets, that people in rough times can fall into, that prevent them to become homeless out of the gate, or to be engulfed in debt, because of a health problem they developed. Those are costs that we collectivized - so thats stuff that everyone pays for. Same with kindergardens, public swimming pools/halls, streets, police, and so on and so forth... Thats mostly what we think about, when someone mentions socialism. Not Stalin, Lenin, communists, and the FSB.. ;) But then, I freaking carefully picked my words here - because every political term in this field is so emotionally loaded, that people will dismiss entire sets of ideas, only because of a word you used. Its dumb.

Interestingly, we currently have a big societal debate, because the speker of the "young social democrats" (in party academy for the next generation political material) just publicly announced, that maybe we should think about making certain private enterprices state owned again, and only share the profits between the workers themselves. Which didn't go over very well with the rest of the political spectrum. :) But yes, we still talk about that stuff.

Good post!

I'd like to contest that people don't associate the soviet union with socialism but rather social democracy all over Europe. You're obviously right that it's an emotionally loaded term, but I believe that people are educated enough to make the distinction here. Either way I'd appreciate if the left would be precise in its language for once, which is something they're struggling with and I honestly believe that a lot of ideas that hold merit are rejected because of it.

If you want an anecdote, here's one. I'm a passionate cyclist. Generally if new stuff is shown off it takes a lot of time between being able to order and delivery because it takes a long time for general market availability of parts. A polish cycling youtuber made a video titled "The cycling industry is making me experience socialism all over again"

With regards to Kühnert, he isn't proposing to make enterprises state owned again, he's proposing to make enterprises that have always been privately owned to be taken over by the state. There's also talk about expropriation in the real estate market.
 
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Both Democrats and Republicans deny science, but deny different types of science that conflicts with their political view points.

More likely

The Right - Evolution, Climate Change
The Left - Evolutionary Psychology (Grievance Studies), Biology, Sexual Dimorphism, Sex Differences.
Again you're just bullshitting that the left "denies biology." If anything, you're the one denying that homosexuality and gender 'transitions' regularly occur in nature to better suit your biases.

IQ research is considered the greatest achievement in Human Psychology.
Bullshit. Understanding the human mind and all its intricacies is the goal of psychology, not reducing complex concepts to a single number. Again, IQ isn't even the only factor in determining intelligence, it only determines how quickly people are capable on picking up on new concepts.

It’s universal in many cultures in career choices male and females pick. The countries that have less differences are ones with less equality. The ones with higher equality has bigger career choice differences.
In other words, given the opportunity, the differences in career choice become negligible. It's only in countries where women are given fewer/no opportunities that there remains a big difference. On that we agree.
 
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Now the stuff I'm actually interested in myself.

Help me understand from HERE on out:

Whats the "I understand the world, Soros is a bad guy - you never know what hes up to" meme

We know exactly what he is up to.

He is using his billions to subvert democracy(financing the remainers in the UK)
He wants cultural identity and the very idea of nationalism completely obliterated. Is it such a crime to want your nation and cultural identity to survive?

The guy is using his influence and money to interfere with anyone who is against nation state democracy and brainwash the young sheep into believing that nation state democracy is bad...

Ever seen the "Demolition Man"? Draw your own conclusions from the film... Quite enjoyable.

There is a "leader" called Dr Raymond Cocteau. I think Soros and that chap are a fair comparison.

The brainwashing by turning everyone into "peace-loving sheep" is well underway.
 

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