Why Don't People Vaccinate?

[XDel]

I thought you had mentioned autism. Regardless, it has nothing to do with vaccines.

Vaccines are said to have allowed us to reach such ages...

 

[The Catboy]

When did I bring up autism? And what does the authenticity of Genesis have to do with the fact that ancients (often presumed ignorant), knew about the human life span at a time when humans were said to have not lived nearly that long?

Come on people, THINK, I know you can do it!!! Keep trying!

This an interesting post, be nice if you proved some actual evidence or relevance to the topic.

I am still wondering how the people who wrote the Book of Genesis knew that people lived up till aprox 120 years, especially if they were primitive and could not possibly live that long. Stranger still is they claim we once lived longer, and stranger than that is the fact that I once saw a program on the science channel backing up that very claim.

This has nothing to do with the topic on hand and I refer to my previous post

Every post you've made in this thread thus far have been bold claims, but when asked to back them up, you just attempt to drive the thread off topic.

Vaccines are said to have allowed us to reach such ages...

They didn't "allow" us to live longer, they've helped us live longer. A better understanding of hygiene and vaccines help prevent us from dying off every couple of years due to massive outbreaks. And helped us not die in our 30's/40's due to preventable diseases. And you know how I know how I can prove that? Because I proved evidence proving it in my earlier post.

How about you actually prove me wrong for once and post something relevant to the topic on hand or maybe some evidence to back up your previous claims. Because you haven't even posted anything to back up your first post.

 

[XDel]

This an interesting post, be nice if you proved some actual evidence or relevance to the topic.

This has nothing to do with the topic on hand and I refer to my previous post


They didn't "allow" us to live longer, they've helped us live longer. A better understanding of hygiene and vaccines help prevent us from dying off every couple of years due to massive outbreaks. And helped us not die in our 30's/40's due to preventable diseases. And you know how I know how I can prove that? Because I proved evidence proving it in my earlier post.

How about you actually prove me wrong for once and post something relevant to the topic on hand or maybe some evidence to back up your previous claims. Because you haven't even posted anything to back up your first post.

I am unsatisfied with your "evidence", my logic, understanding, and experience ring more true.
How ever did man kind survive this long if we have been so utterly vulnerable to mass outbreaks of virus' up till now? Not to say that mass outbreaks of virus' have not occurred, but I would not say that they have been the number one enemy of man kind historically. Not in the least.

Likewise, I feel that with sincere dedication, better solutions than vaccines can come about for our tangible problems.

 

[VinsCool]

Wait this thread is still going on? I though we were done with the topic.

 

[The Catboy]

I am unsatisfied with your "evidence", my logic, understanding, and experience ring more true.
How ever did man kind survive this long if we have been so utterly vulnerable to mass outbreaks of virus' up till now? Not to say that mass outbreaks of virus' have not occurred, but I would not say that they have been the number one enemy of man kind historically. Not in the least.

Likewise, I feel that with sincere dedication, better solutions than vaccines can come about for our tangible problems.

Are you for real? What experience? Suddenly you are a doctor now?
Nope, I'm done! This isn't even a debate anymore, you are just an egotistic shallow person who's not even properly debating. You are making bold claims, then patting yourself on the back as if you achieved something. You've provided no evidence, no cohesive argument, nothing and now you are going to discredit my evidence because you are "unsatisfied?" Welcome to my block list because I am sick of listening to your nonsensical bullshit!

 

[TotalInsanity4]

How ever did man kind survive this long if we have been so utterly vulnerable to mass outbreaks of virus' up till now? Not to say that mass outbreaks of virus' have not occurred, but I would not say that they have been the number one enemy of man kind historically. Not in the least.

I encourage you to look up "Yersinia pestis," "typhus," "anthrax," and "Variola major/minor"

 

[exdeath255]

Being skeptical isnt stupid. Going along with something out of guilt is more stupid. People have said things were good for us till 10 years later they find out it was cancerous or induced some other thing. Keep in mind once you take it theres no going back.

Theres also the whole thing about auras and energy/vibe stuff and how it negatively impacts that stuff but i think that would be a little over most peoples heads since science has yet to declare it being fact. [This is where half the conspiracy ppl fall under, the other half is plain old mind control or poison or lack of testing]

Also keep in mind people used to think smoking and pop had only positive effects because there wasnt enough testing done over long term.

TLDR :
Science is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. That means that it could be entirely wrong. Only time will tell.

 

[G0R3Z]

Are you for real? What experience? Suddenly you are a doctor now?
Nope, I'm done! This isn't even a debate anymore, you are just an egotistic shallow person who's not even properly debating. You are making bold claims, then patting yourself on the back as if you achieved something. You've provided no evidence, no cohesive argument, nothing and now you are going to discredit my evidence because you are "unsatisfied?" Welcome to my block list because I am sick of listening to your nonsensical bullshit!

He made no real argument, just vague statements the entire time and acting as though he was winning the debate. Probably believes in Chem-trails and the illuminati as well.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

Being skeptical isnt stupid. Going along with something out of guilt is more stupid. People have said things were good for us till 10 years later they find out it was cancerous or induced some other thing. Keep in mind once you take it theres no going back.

Theres also the whole thing about auras and energy/vibe stuff and how it negatively impacts that stuff but i think that would be a little over most peoples heads since science has yet to declare it being fact. [This is where half the conspiracy ppl fall under, the other half is plain old mind control or poison or lack of testing]

Also keep in mind people used to think smoking and pop had only positive effects because there wasnt enough testing done over long term.

Except that in the case of vaccines there's been plenty of testing done over a very long term

 

[exdeath255]

Except that in the case of vaccines there's been plenty of testing done over a very long term

only on things we can see / measure though. What about the stuff we cant see or measure yet? That is what some people are worried about since you cant really undo a vaccine.

Also if youre worried about yourself or your kid getting sick, if you have the vaccine youre good to go you dont have to worry about the other non vac kids giving it to you.

 

[RevPokemon]

Except that in the case of vaccines there's been plenty of testing done over a very long term

Plus you have to realize if a vaccine had known issues the drug manufacturers would not bring it to market most likely due to the possibility of lawsuits and legislative action.

 

[the_randomizer]

I've feeling that this thread will go on ad infinitum, never really coming to an agreement, but I will say to all the anti-vaxxers, best of luck to you, and have fun.

 

[Glyptofane]

In many cases, the testing actually begins once the vaccine hits the market. There are no double blind studies performed beforehand. The published efficacy rates also appear to be reached by questionable means when you realize how many outbreaks begin and spread primarily among those who are fully vaccinated. At least the CDC has finally more or less admitted the annual flu vaccine is completely useless, but you still have to wonder about the rest of it.

Recalls for biologics including vaccines are higher than any other drug class and manufacturers are not liable for any damages that may result.

 

[XDel]

Are you for real? What experience? Suddenly you are a doctor now?
Nope, I'm done! This isn't even a debate anymore, you are just an egotistic shallow person who's not even properly debating. You are making bold claims, then patting yourself on the back as if you achieved something. You've provided no evidence, no cohesive argument, nothing and now you are going to discredit my evidence because you are "unsatisfied?" Welcome to my block list because I am sick of listening to your nonsensical bullshit!

Don't hold it against me because you got a low self esteem and are unable to argue. If you don't like my rebuttles, then don't read them.

I've feeling that this thread will go on ad infinitum, never really coming to an agreement, but I will say to all the anti-vaxxers, best of luck to you, and have fun.

That's why the thread was began. Even if I had bothered to google and cite web pages that agreed with what I am arguing, people would still say the same things about me that they've been saying already.

This is just one of those "fire in the hearts of men" threads. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[FAST6191]

I feel bad for some of you. One time this subject came around and I said something I got flamed as though anti was a defensible position. Good times.

Regarding historical plagues and humans coming back then yeah it was covered somewhat. Also various ones made for fantastical social advancement -- the increased wages and conditions as a result of plagues are well documented and a great source for a lot of people looking into things. I don't think I can suggest it as method for inducing social advancement in a populace but it has a nice precedent.

only on things we can see / measure though. What about the stuff we cant see or measure yet? That is what some people are worried about since you cant really undo a vaccine.

Also if youre worried about yourself or your kid getting sick, if you have the vaccine youre good to go you dont have to worry about the other non vac kids giving it to you.

Also what can't be measured in this instance?

Equally iImmunity is not complete and total, it is very very good though and very very good works well enough for herd immunity. Also there are some with legit medical reasons for not getting certain vaccines (immunological disorders, some other sicknesses -- don't be slamming an immune system of someone that will be health in 2 years but not now) troubles with certain ingredients and so forth, again we go back to herd immunity. Or if you prefer would it be justifiable to castigate someone for smoking in front of their child (in a car/in a house)? Same idea really. If children are indeed innocent then why should they suffer for your dumb cunt decisions sort of thing.

In many cases, the testing actually begins once the vaccine hits the market. There are no double blind studies performed beforehand. The published efficacy rates also appear to be reached by questionable means when you realize how many outbreaks begin and spread primarily among those who are fully vaccinated. At least the CDC has finally more or less admitted the annual flu vaccine is completely useless, but you still have to wonder about the rest of it.

Recalls for biologics including vaccines are higher than any other drug class and manufacturers are not liable for any damages that may result.

Testing for almost everything begins once it is on the market -- there are millions of combinations of health factors and other drugs and historical drugs (see also some of the smoking cessation stuff and certain antidepressants). You do the obvious combinations and the common and then go from there.
Otherwise links for the rest please. It could well be and that would the basis for going against accepted logic, maybe not a great one but still one and without links it is still conjecture on a forum.

 

[TotalInsanity4]

That's why the thread was began. Even if I had bothered to google and cite web pages that agreed with what I am arguing, people would still say the same things about me that they've been saying already.

That doesn't excuse you NOT googling and citing web pages, though

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

has anyone even discussed how vaccination works?
There are two main ways:
They release a much more tame strain of the virus for your body to kill off and gain memory b and t cells.
or
They put in a dead antigen.
Zero chance of cancer or autism. doesnt even make sense. You can only get a disease due to a dirty needle but thats only an issue in a third world country. Tbh those who disagree are full of shit.

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Do your research please. Ive done mine and it has turned me vegan. My daughters cancer led me to be the healthiest i've been in my life. Its old news that vaccines are extremely bad for humans. In fact the whole medical establishment as a whole is a joke. Holistic doctors are the only real doctors. Look up truth about cancer - Doctors got killed for some of the knowledge they passed on to us.

veganism in itself isnt even natural. Humans need vitamin b12 which is most easily found in animals so youre not living a healthy life. IDC whether you need a little of it you still need it.

 

[XDel]

That doesn't excuse you NOT googling and citing web pages, though

Any sincere seeker of truth has already looked for and objectively studied the opposing points of view as best he can.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

Any sincere seeker of truth has already looked for and objectively studied the opposing points of view as best he can.

Doesnt mean you cant provide said "truths". I'd love to see them.

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In many cases, the testing actually begins once the vaccine hits the market. There are no double blind studies performed beforehand. The published efficacy rates also appear to be reached by questionable means when you realize how many outbreaks begin and spread primarily among those who are fully vaccinated. At least the CDC has finally more or less admitted the annual flu vaccine is completely useless, but you still have to wonder about the rest of it.

Recalls for biologics including vaccines are higher than any other drug class and manufacturers are not liable for any damages that may result.

It's not the vaccine makers fault it doesnt work as well, any advantage over a virus is better than nothing. Also this is quite unfair as it is based on the USA and it only. If you open the span to the world you see a totally different story. Also thats the vaccine makers fault for not properly testing the vaccine since the antigens are meant to be dead or severely weakened.

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Plus you have to realize if a vaccine had known issues the drug manufacturers would not bring it to market most likely due to the possibility of lawsuits and legislative action.

Yeah, its crazy you can even patent vaccines.

 

[tatripp]

I was wondering why people want there children to suffer so much that they do not vaccinate. It makes no sense to me.

Please try to keep this fairly civil.

How do you ask people to keep it civil with such a loaded question? Why do you assume that people want "[sic] their children to suffer?"
Isn't it obvious that the anti-vac people want what's best for their kids? They just disagree on what is best. They clearly have a distrust of big pharmaceutical companies which I think is extremely justified. They are misinformed and are getting their information from emotional and unscientific sources. There is no doubt in my mind that they are completely wrong in their belief.

I can understand you accusing them of being misinformed or ignorant, but how can you honestly accuse them of wanting their children to suffer? It is people like you who intentionally don't understand them who push them further away from the truth. Why are they going to believe you about the science behind vaccines when you intentionally misrepresent them to such an egregious degree?