Vaccines and Autism Spectrum Disorder!

[Lacius]

or we could not bring politics into something that doesn't involve politics

The 2016 Republican primary would like to have a word with you.

 

[siamese]

Anti-vaxxers should be forcibly castrated to prevent them from procreating

oopsie to LATE!! LOL

How old are your kids? because the vaccine schedule of today is much more aggressive than in the past. I didn't vaccinate any of my 3 kids and they've never been sick and never go to the doctor. of course nutrition plays a big role in that.

True, adequate nutrition will help them keep good health, GOD FORBID they ever get sick, cause antibiotics wont do the work

https://www.statnews.com/2017/08/01/antibiotic-resistance-vaccines/

and that is worst because you knew you could protect them

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html

Seriously, you are free to choose the life you want and what to believe, I mean, FLAT EARTHERS DO THAT TOO, oh, no, NOT THE SHAQ ATTACK!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4682728/Inside-world-flat-Earthers.html

PEACE

 

[Alkéryn]

400y ago I don't think they had over the counter medicine, doctors that could do brain surgery (except in greece), air conditioning (cause of heat stroke/hypothermia), and healthier eating options. They didn't know whether the animal they ate had a disease or not. Keep in mind that certain tribes would cut holes in the skulls of people have migraines. That would kill them if they did it wrong.

Basically, that point is null and void, and you cannot pin our life expectancy all on vaccines.

Yes but you can pin it on medicine and science hence negating big pharma bs
Yes there still is some economical behind it but it do save people
And it isn't a bad guy behind it

As i scientists i have to say that by calling big pharma you are insulting the work of hundred thousand of scientists who dedicated their life trying to save people even if their are profiting people behind too

 

[KevinLSX]

Lmao I heard some people also think giving your dogs vaccines could give them autism.

 

[Alkéryn]

Also to mention that people using big pharma as an argument are often seller of homeopatic crap
that are doing exactly what they acuse the other side of doing

homeopatic seller, sell crap that don't work to make money and call big pharma to sell it better

the difference there is that your so called "big pharma" have result and do save people

while your homeopatic selling gangster won't save you from any desease at best he might offer you a placebo effect (which are proven to be able to work even if the patient is aware of the fact that it is a placebo effect )

 

[smileyhead]

Can I just report this thread as spam?

 

[DeoNaught]

Can I just report this thread as spam?

Honestly, I thought that that was what this was,
Until There was five pages of it.

Try

 

[Quantumcat]

And yes, I know that if less people get vaccinated, those who financially can't will be affected. However, if I contract a disease that can be prevented by vaccines, I will probably die with it before I can give it to somebody else. And I am OK with that.

If you come into contact with a baby or an elderly person you could kill them. There are a lot of diseases that aren't too bad on healthy adults but will kill babies, the elderly, and those who are already sick for other reasons or have a depressed immune system (eg a friend of mine has an auto immune disorder and has to take medicine that lowers her immune system). For example see whooping cough killing babies: http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-18/baby-dies-of-whooping-cough-in-perth/6329244

 

[Alkéryn]

and as regarding aluminium and mercury in vaccine, to negate your moronic argument if someone already brought that up

1st in a vacine injection there is dozenfolds less mercury and aluminium than your daily injection through food ( by mass )

2nd it isn't pure mercury and if you did basic chemistry you'd know that an element isn't the same thing at all anymore when it bond with others

If you want example here, here i go

Take sodium, alone if you put it in your mouth it would kill you or at least severly burn you chemically

add some chloride to it (which as its pure form is also toxic)
and you have NaCl, which is just regular tablesalt that you eat every day

Or KCl which is potasium chloride salt, but the potassium alone would explode in contact with the humidity in your mouth

Anoter example ?

water
H20
take hydrogen alone and add some chloride and you have chloridric acid, one of the most corosive acid you can find

at least i hoped that you understood that it isn't because there is mercury in something that it is toxic
sure alone mercury is
but if it bond with other element it can be non toxic
plus in vaccine they are in extremely small quantities compared to the poisoning you get on a daily basis
and even if you were heavily mercury poisoned, by injecting directly pure mercury
you wouldn't become autist and you could heal with good follow up medical

 

[Deleted User]

If you guys expect me to give up, keep trying, because I won't.

Yes I realize my arguments are stupid. Yes I realize my decision could kill me or others. Yes I realize I have an unpopular opinion.

But I have free agency, and I can choose what I wish to do. My experiences shape my life. No one else can.

 

[Alkéryn]

If you guys expect me to give up, keep trying, because I won't.

Yes I realize my arguments are stupid. Yes I realize my decision could kill me or others. Yes I realize I have an unpopular opinion.

But I have free agency, and I can choose what I wish to do. My experiences shape my life. No one else can.

Ok then just spray some deodorant in your fridge to avoid elephants getting in

Also i use to put a shoe in my staircases to avoid bulgary
it have been working great so far

 

[Quantumcat]

If you guys expect me to give up, keep trying, because I won't.

Yes I realize my arguments are stupid. Yes I realize my decision could kill me or others. Yes I realize I have an unpopular opinion.

But I have free agency, and I can choose what I wish to do. My experiences shape my life. No one else can.

That's fair enough. Your experience is quite unique, very unlikely anyone else has seen the same things so there's not much danger of a huge number of people doing the same thing because of that experience. If you don't come into contact with newborn babies or the elderly then you aren't really any risk to society. So go forth and enjoy :-p

 

[WaltzK]

I read the first page of this and realized this was one of those elite undercover trolls that seems like it's a real discussion, but it's not.

This is the reason why so many unvaccinated people are still in "Good Health". Anyone that doesn't get vaccinated carries a risk to small children, the elderly, and immunocompromised people. FYI something you'll learn causation /=/ correlation. I can link an increase in the consumption to McDonalds to the increase in Autism.
Here is the original study that anti-vaccination people cling to as a basis for your theory. Let me save you the read, it was debunked.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136032/

 

[Alkéryn]

Even if this page is in french, the graph are in english

so here is a good example of what corelation mean
http://www.topito.com/top-correlations-improbables-cool

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The thing is concerning autism there isn't even a corelation with vaccines

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Plus you say x took vacine and got autism

Well i can say that i'm on the autism spectrum
and you could already see that when i was 6month old
or just take the fact that i knew how to read real books at 2yo
but that i didn't speak until 3yo and that i hadn't a first word but a first sentence that was a question to my mother about how electricity flowed in the wires

Though i got vaccinated at 4 (because my father didn't want me to before and i got sneak vaccinated with my mom)

Anyway autism is something you are born with
and it even have some genetic heredity

well i lied on one point, i haven't autism but asperger syndrome but that's on the spectrum so meh

But yeah, see how "personal experience" isn't a valid point at all ?

anyway i will keep spraying deodorant in my fridge so elephant don't go in
i never saw one in my fridge so proove me wrong

 

[TotalInsanity4]

tell that to the parents of a child who lost all speech after vaccinations.

No. Fuck you. I'm sorry, but you don't get to use the "just think of the parents!" argument. Autistic people are not a burden to be tossed around, they're independently thinking people

 

[the_randomizer]

Let's see:

- I have Asperger's
- Own a driver's license and own as well as drive my car
- Currently employed
- Able to learn a second language

- Had numerous vaccinations all my life, yeah, that vaccinations gives people argument is full of shit.


OP, so fucking what if people get vaccinations? You can back up your arguments with unsubstantiated bullshit till the cows come home. Most of the people who have had vaccinations are just fine, and even if they did get sick, how else are they going to build an immunity to a virulent disease?

Oh wait, they can't. Silly me. Find another argument you can half-ass.

 

[Alkéryn]

No. Fuck you. I'm sorry, but you don't get to use the "just think of the parents!" argument. Autistic people are not a burden to be tossed around, they're independently thinking people

Yeah and even i have some autist friends that seems to be performing better than the crowd of moron we have on the surface of this globe

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Let's see:

- I have Asperger's
- Own a driver's license and own as well as drive my car
- Currently employed
- Able to learn a second language

- Had numerous vaccinations all my life, yeah, that vaccinations gives people argument is full of shit.

well i also have asperger but it isn't really autism even if it is in the spectrum
but even i have some autist friends that haven't a lot of issues with it

 

[the_randomizer]

Yeah and even i have some autist friends that seems to be performing better than the crowd of moron we have on the surface of this globe

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well i also have asperger but it isn't really autism even if it is in the spectrum
but even i have some autist friends that haven't a lot of issues with it

Point still stands, there are things I struggle with because of it, but I can function just fine, and vaccinations never "gave me autism", or as the OP is bullshitting about, so yeah, there's plenty of empirical evidence to contradict the OP.

 

[Alkéryn]

Point still stands, there are things I struggle with because of it, but I can function just fine, and vaccinations never "gave me autism", or as the OP is bullshitting about, so yeah, there's plenty of empirical evidence to contradict the OP.

Well i had asperger before being vaccinated so even that

Though even if on the diagnostic they diagnosed me as one of the most aspie guy they ever had

i found ways to compensate, mostly by thinking in the begining, and now it have became natural

so yeah you couldn't really differenciate me from an NT if i don't wanted to

but yeah i found how to got rid of all the issues that comes with it

i don't know if it is possible for every aspie but as an advice i would say that i found how to socialize by analizing how humans worked (they have patern, you can grasp it with effort but it took me years) now i'm doing better than NT generally

and as for my obsessive compulsive disorder
i also found how to get rid of it
but yeah i'm kind of a special case, that might be because i always strive to be a better version of myself and beat my future and past me xD

 

[Xiphiidae]

Hate to break it to you, but its usually religious conservatives pushing the conspiracy. There are a few "natural development no GMO blah blah blah" nuts on the far left, but they're far from the majority

Lol, leftist? Rightist you mean. It goes hand in hand with the extreme right wing Christian types

At least in Australia, most parents who don't vaccine their children are hippies, and the suburbs that have recurring measles outbreaks are the most left-leaning suburbs in the entire country.

(But I agree with not bringing political leanings into this; science denial is rampant on both the left and right.)

tell that to the parents of a child who lost all speech after vaccinations.

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Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

and as regarding aluminium and mercury in vaccine, to negate your moronic argument if someone already brought that up

Not to mention that mercury-based preservatives/anti-bactericals/anti-fungals are now virtually only used in some flu shots; pretty much all vaccines now given to children to not even contain mercury in any form.

This point has already been made here, but I think it's an excellent one: effectively every person I have ever met has been given every vaccine given to children and teenagers as part of our national immunisation program, and many get a flu shot every year (including me). Despite this, I have only met, maybe, two people that I've known to have autism. Even if there were a connection between vaccinations and autism (there's not, and the burden of proof is on those making this claim to provide evidence and illustrate a biological explanation for this), then surely the chance of developing autism as a result of a vaccinations is so low that it doesn't actually matter.