Conservative News Corner Thread

[Foxi4]

Considering homelessness and hunger in the USA is pretty rampant, I would say this is just slapstick comedy. I plan to refute this at great length when I get home, but tldr version is that your experience with "communism" isn't the fare pushed for by the masses, rich people should not exist, and you're spouting old time propaganda after having to delete a post from someone referring to a poor person as worthless trash. Maybe reexamine your priorities and privileges?

Shaming me for my use of common sense isn't going to make me support an inherently amoral philosophy. Communism is an unacceptable form of governance that must necessarily be faced by fierce opposition - it should never be allowed to take root, and must be uprooted wherever it already has. It's going to take a lot of refuting, considering communism has been tried repeatedly all around the world and hasn't worked once. It always starts with grand aspirations and ends with a police state quelling civil unrest caused by rampant poverty, and it always will since it's based on an inherently flawed premise. You have precisely zero examples of communism leading to the establishment of a stable and equitable society that managed to survive the test of time, meanwhile capitalism lifted the world out of poverty by allowing individuals to pursue their own aspirations, develop their unique talents, and subsequently monetise them.

 

[Dakitten]

Shaming me for my use of common sense isn't going to make me support an inherently amoral philosophy. Communism is an unacceptable form of governance that must necessarily be faced by fierce opposition - it should never be allowed to take root, and must be uprooted wherever it already has. It's going to take a lot of refuting, considering communism has been tried repeatedly all around the world and hasn't worked once. It always starts with grand aspirations and ends with a police state quelling civil unrest caused by rampant poverty, and it always will since it's based on an inherently flawed premise. You have precisely zero examples of communism leading to the establishment of a stable and equitable society that managed to survive the test of time, meanwhile capitalism lifted the world out of poverty by allowing individuals to pursue their own aspirations, develop their unique talents, and subsequently monetise them.

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Technology has improved and lifted people out of the old world, as it tends to do, but capitalism has stifled those gains. Correlation does not equal causation, as they say. As for your common sense, China has lifted more people out of "poverty " than anything (not defending Chinese "communism " so much as pointing out the errors of the chart) yet you show them no love. Meanwhile, countries adopting more socialist policies tend to have the best gdp per capita as well as happier citizens, better productivity, and a smaller gap between rich and poor. You're espousing elitist rhetoric due to old world propaganda, when you should be embracing the comrade mentality! =3

 

[SyphenFreht]

The main problem with both economic structures is that neither stand up when confronted with the large scope of human involvement. Communism is great in the sense that it establishes what is supposed to be a "bottom" bar for individuals to live off of; a bare minimum, filled with compliance and mediocrity. It leaves little room for free enterprise and entrepreneurs, which is where we see modern communism fail. After those in power realize how they can exploit the workers, it all goes downhill.

On the other hand, capitalism is a great concept when it's not against the back drop of, again, greedy people in power who exploit the bottom rung of society. With capitalism, especially American capitalism, there is no "bottom", just debt. And too much debt accruel leads to consequence, such as prison. Yeah, in regards to debt, I get that people should be at their own faults for accruing such debt, but honestly we probably could've made a much better economic system that doesn't rely on owing someone something.

With that being said, neither economic system seems to work over such a large population, or at least, neither seems to be as effective as other countries, here in the U.S.

Technology has improved and lifted people out of the old world, as it tends to do, but capitalism has stifled those gains. Correlation does not equal causation, as they say. As for your common sense, China has lifted more people out of "poverty " than anything (not defending Chinese "communism " so much as pointing out the errors of the chart) yet you show them no love. Meanwhile, countries adopting more socialist policies tend to have the best gdp per capita as well as happier citizens, better productivity, and a smaller gap between rich and poor. You're espousing elitist rhetoric due to old world propaganda, when you should be embracing the comrade mentality! =3

Honestly though, China seems to be the closest without going over in terms of utilizing both a communist style economic system with capitalist highlights. It's coupled with a political system that, for one, seems to try and embrace its citizens rather than see them as a direct step to the next economic tier. Or rather, it seems they've figured out team building a lot better than we have in the West.

 

[Foxi4]

Technology has improved and lifted people out of the old world, as it tends to do, but capitalism has stifled those gains. Correlation does not equal causation, as they say. As for your common sense, China has lifted more people out of "poverty " than anything (not defending Chinese "communism " so much as pointing out the errors of the chart) yet you show them no love. Meanwhile, countries adopting more socialist policies tend to have the best gdp per capita as well as happier citizens, better productivity, and a smaller gap between rich and poor. You're espousing elitist rhetoric due to old world propaganda, when you should be embracing the comrade mentality! =3

China was an absolute hellhole *until* it adopted capitalist economic principles after the abject failure of the Great Leap Forward. It's hard to quantify the death toll of the policy, it depends on whether you count deaths due to starvation alone or if you also count various crimes against humanity as well, but the estimates generally vary between 15-55 million people. Funnily enough, the Chinese economy has *shrank* during the Great Leap Forward (1958), it's one of the only two periods in history when this has happened, the other being the Cultural Revolution (1966), also caused by communism. People were struggling to split a grain of rice amongst each other until the government realised that allowing private industry to flourish, with strong government backing, was a better model.





The success you're attributing to communism was achieved precisely when China started to *distance* itself from communist economic policies.

 

[Immortallix]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...to-covid-19-restrictions-20210821-p58ksh.html

If only acabgang were there.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...to-covid-19-restrictions-20210821-p58ksh.html

If only acabgang were there.

Wonder how they would like it if we shot those people to prevent covid? Actually, I shouldn't joke like that since it may give them ideas.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

"The FBI admitting the mostly peaceful protest wasn't a planned insurrection." OH GEE REALLY I NEVER WOULD'VE GUESSED I'M SO SHOCKED RIGHT NOW THAT THE JAN 6 "RIOT" WASN'T A PLANNED INSURRECTION LIKE THEY'VE BEEN SHOUTING FOR 8 FUCKING MONTHS NOW!

Tensions will keep rising until the volcano explodes.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Still gotta change the thread title, but until then, here's some interesting vids:



If the second one doesn't light the fire in your belly, or ;et you see the hypocrisy and just plain mania of today, well then nothing will.

 

[SyphenFreht]

If the second one doesn't light the fire in your belly, or ;et you see the hypocrisy and just plain mania of today, well then nothing will.

So, the video is about how a black officer shot an unarmed white woman, and you're saying it's hypocritical that BLM doesn't spotlight this, despite the fact it's not exactly part of their..."manifesto", so to speak?

Oh well. Sounds like you should get over it.

 

[Xzi]

If the second one doesn't light the fire in your belly, or ;et you see the hypocrisy and just plain mania of today, well then nothing will.

This is disingenuous as hell and you know it. There's no honest comparison to be made between Ashli Babbit's case and a case like Breonna Taylor's. Babbit was given multiple warnings and afforded multiple chances to just turn around and leave without consequence, even despite the fact that she was in the middle of committing a terrorist act. If unarmed black men were given even half that much leniency by cops during routine traffic stops, BLM wouldn't need to exist.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

So, the video is about how a black officer shot an unarmed white woman, and you're saying it's hypocritical that BLM doesn't spotlight this, despite the fact it's not exactly part of their..."manifesto", so to speak?

Oh well. Sounds like you should get over it.

Then BLM should get over all the drug addicts and criminals that get justifiably killed. Don't play this fucking game with me.

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This is disingenuous as hell and you know it. There's no honest comparison to be made between Ashli Babbit's case and a case like Breonna Taylor's. Babbit was given multiple warnings and afforded multiple chances to just turn around and leave without consequence, even despite the fact that she was in the middle of committing a terrorist act. If unarmed black men were given even half that much leniency by cops during routine traffic stops, BLM wouldn't need to exist.

Oh god climbing through a window is extreme terrorrisims! Even though we tax payers pay for those buildings climbing through a window is a justifiable execution. God help us! Breaonna Taylor shouldn't have been with a criminal and she was most likely used as a shield by said criminal. And she even did stuff that got her fired from her nursing position. And fyi, most of these "black men" are never "unarmed" as you claimed to be, and even if they are, they can still resist arrest and can beat on officers with their bare hands if they choose to do so, which they shouldn't.

 

[Lacius]

Then BLM should get over all the drug addicts and criminals that get justifiably killed.

Black lives matter unconditionally.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Black lives matter unconditionally.

All live matter, no one race is better than the other, don't be a criminal and resist arrest. Don't know why it's not simple to follow that.

 

[Lacius]

no one race is better than the other

That isn't what "Black lives matter" means, and I think you know that.

 

[SyphenFreht]

Then BLM should get over all the drug addicts and criminals that get justifiably killed. Don't play this fucking game with me.

I have yet to see a situation where BLM gets up in arms over a justifiable event, although it seems in this day and age BLM fights more for basic human rights, like not being killed on sight for, drug related crimes, for example, then most conservative Republicans.

But if you want to jump on that bandwagon, then why don't you go complain that the cancer society isn't piling research into Covid treatment? Or leprosy? Why not go after John Hopkins for focusing primarily on children?

You expect BLM to defend white people getting shot when the whole organization is meant to bring light to unwarranted black Shootings.

You're being hypocritical. Don't play this fucking game with me, boi.

 

[Xzi]

Oh god climbing through a window is extreme terrorrisims!

Breaonna Taylor shouldn't have been with a criminal and she was most likely used as a shield by said criminal.

Pick a fucking lane, Jesus. If you can handwave away the cold-blooded murder of someone sleeping soundly in their own bed, you can surely see the justification for shooting toward a violent mob out for the blood of congresspeople.

 

[Immortallix]

Remember to take your fury out on various civilians and small businesses for months at a time instead of the politicians for one day.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

That isn't what "Black lives matter" means, and I think you know that.

Oh yes it does. Only idiots like you want to believe that it doesn't.

I have yet to see a situation where BLM gets up in arms over a justifiable event, although it seems in this day and age BLM fights more for basic human rights, like not being killed on sight for, drug related crimes, for example, then most conservative Republicans.

But if you want to jump on that bandwagon, then why don't you go complain that the cancer society isn't piling research into Covid treatment? Or leprosy? Why not go after John Hopkins for focusing primarily on children?

You expect BLM to defend white people getting shot when the whole organization is meant to bring light to unwarranted black Shootings.

You're being hypocritical. Don't play this fucking game with me, boi.

All the shootings BLM rioted over were justified in one way or another. And even if they weren't, that still doesn't give them the right to loot and burn down cities. If they really have a problem with the way the justice system is, then they would've gone to the proper channels and reform it the right way. Otherwise, the next time someone gets shot that someone doesn't agree with, don't complain when they come to your house and loot and rob you in the name of BLM.

Pick a fucking lane, Jesus. If you can handwave away the cold-blooded murder of someone sleeping soundly in their own bed, you can surely see the justification for shooting toward a violent mob out for the blood of congresspeople.

She was clearly awake and up when the police came and when the bullets started firing, in which her scum ex-boyfriend or fuck buddy or whatever he was to her when she was in his house when she shouldn't have been used her as a human shield of bullets. She was not asleep, and even if she was, she shouldn't have been around the wrong people.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/leaked-documents-give-more-details-in-breonna-taylor-case/

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...eonna_taylor_was_living_on_the_dark_side.html

One needs to take personal responsibilities over their own actions. While unfortunate, Breaonna Taylor's death was largely part her own fault. And for the "riot" on Jan 6, aka an actual peaceful protest, which they were let in by capitol police themselves and were also told to stand down:
https://en-volve.com/2021/04/15/bom...l-police-were-ordered-to-stand-down-on-jan-6/
Ashley Babbot's murder was in cold blood and unnecessary. There was no insurrection, and even when people were in the capitol, nothing happened other than them walking around. That's it. Any damage caused was the fault of Antifa and or BLM soldiers infiltrating the mob in order to make them look bad:
https://www.christianitydaily.com/a...-were-the-first-to-enter-capitol-on-jan-6.htm
https://en-volve.com/2021/03/04/ant...sed-chris-wray-still-denies-antifa-was-there/

The evidence is all there, only those who choose to ignore it and believe the lies would not agree since it's all out there with a simple search. And before you bring up "capitol police also dies because of Jan 6" nope, the once who died, died after the fact due to natural causes unrelated to the mostly peaceful protest on Jan 6. None of those deaths were related to that day, and the only casualty was a service woman who was actually killed unjustifiably in this case. And that's why the video up there shows the infuriating hypocrisy of it all. And on other note, you wanna see one of the best example of an actual insurrection, look no further than the recent example of the Taliban taking over Afghanistan. That's an actual insurrection as they took the whole country.

I know some people, including here, still won't believe it despite all the evidence out there. I've done my part, if you still choose to ignore it, that's your decision (it's also why I kinda gave up debating people since they never even want to see the other side and rather believe in lies. The frustration just takes a toll and I don't have the energy anymore most of the time to deal with it.), but I know what's real and what isn't from my own eyes and ears, and you can call me all the names you want, I've seen and researched the facts.

 

[Xzi]

she shouldn't have been around the wrong people.

And somehow you don't think this applies to Ashli Babbit? I'd have to check with Guinness, but that level of self-unawareness must be record setting. She was a rabid idiot frothing at the mouth, among a giant mob of rabid idiots frothing at the mouth. Every single person who broke into the capitol building that day was a criminal, and to further that point, most of them are already doing jail time for it.

There was no insurrection

Yeah sorry, that's not something you can easily memory hole. We all watched the events unfold on live television, it's still quite vivid in my mind.

Any damage caused was the fault of Antifa and or BLM soldiers

That notion is not even worth entertaining. Nobody who associates with BLM or Antifa would be caught dead wearing that type of Vanilla ISIS gear or waving Trump flags, even for a "false flag operation." Not to mention the mob was so pale white that it reflected the sun at near 100% intensity. You're just experiencing a bit of cognitive dissonance here because you don't want to believe conservatives would do something like this, but ever since Trump took over the party, it was only a matter of time.

It's also worth noting that by attempting to deflect the blame to your perceived political opponents, you're coming dangerously close to approaching Reichstag fire territory. Maybe that was intentional though? Either way, it's a good thing fascist tactics are so easy to spot, because they never change.

 

[SyphenFreht]

All the shootings BLM rioted over were justified in one way or another. And even if they weren't, that still doesn't give them the right to loot and burn down cities. If they really have a problem with the way the justice system is, then they would've gone to the proper channels and reform it the right way. Otherwise, the next time someone gets shot that someone doesn't agree with, don't complain when they come to your house and loot and rob you in the name of BLM.
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Except it's been proven multiple times that BLM didn't riot and shoot people; you had staged players involved with the intent of discrediting the organization by any means possible.

As far as proper channels go, I'm sure we both know that's a load of crap. How can someone be so protective of the ideal that a tyrannical government should be overthrown deflect that same idea when it doesn't fit their narrative? Conservative Republicans, more often than not, are dead firm believers of this, and the Second Amendment especially, but as soon as some non white people get involved it's "They should've done it the right way", despite numerous instances over time of people needing to do exactly what they've done in order to get the recognition of being treated equally. Women, non whites, the bottom rung economic class... these groups and more have had to hold demonstrations, protests, even riots in some cases, because "going through the proper channels" didn't and doesn't work for them.

You really gotta hop off that hypocritical horse buddy.