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Mostly sharing and pointing the hypocrisy of the left, some of the right, and the media news outlets with news and stories they ted to ignore. I labeled this thread with "conservative" since I know it would catch peoples eye to talk or to troll like some are doing lol Personally, I don't really like any of these labels (conservative, democrat, etc.) since you don't have to put a label on doing what's right, but some just use the name in order to get noticed and/or recognition then do their own thing despite what they're called.
Fact checkers, scientists, teachers, and experts all seem to swear by hypocrisy being more to one side than the other... and it ain't blue.



Because giving the government less power and spending to reduce the nation debt is a completely bad thing.

The government is a group of people decided upon by their constituents to maintain and improve their general quality of life, to say nothing of the many good paying jobs it provides. Most of the debt is causes by the military, and it's many private contractors who bleed the country dry with no recompense. If anything is pumping up the debt, it is capitalist parasites who don't pay taxes and collect absurd funds for something that could be done by the government in house for vastly less money and with better outcomes.



Yes you do, if you want the person or people assaulting your family to stay down instead of waiting 15 minutes to police to arrive when it could be too late.
I don't know how many ninja cartels you've scammed, but usually a six shot revolver is more than enough to handle any individual and their friends. If you need more ammo than that, you aren't going to Dirty Harry your way out with a machine gun, either. They're also classy and a great intimidating deterrent, too!



Get rid of unemployment benefits and all the other stuff that people get money to not work and you'll see more people getting jobs, even the dirty ones, in order to feed themselves and make something of themselves. And there are plenty of white american farmers as well, who will hire other Americans who want to do a good job
I am going to guess you're someone who hasn't had to apply for benefits before. It isn't a simple or quick task, and sometimes things just go bad, even for good people. Company downsizes or goes under, long term illness strikes, or maybe you become the target of harassment and no level of legal retaliation can make the work environment change... and then your whole world can collapse. Exploitation should naturally be monitored and remedied when spotted, but the programs are for working people who are stuck between jobs, and they are criminally underused and underfunded due to people with a disdain for the poor.



Not really, but I'll give you the effort of trying to.
I would say 9/10 but needs more nudes.

Well, I'm gonna see what happens. This is kind of an experiment and I wanna see how fast this could either go up or down. And let's not talk about who and who isn't politically illiterate here, let's just not go down that rabbit hole.

Why not? I'm fairly certain if we hunt down typos and grammatical errors by party affiliation, it would show that REP must stand for Rongly Edjukated Peeple.
 
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That isn't what "Black lives matter" means, and I think you know that.
Let’s be real, the people saying “All” are really just upset over the word “Black.”
 

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It's also worth noting that by attempting to deflect the blame to your perceived political opponents, you're coming dangerously close to approaching Reichstag fire territory. Maybe that was intentional though? Either way, it's a good thing fascist tactics are so easy to spot, because they never change.
And it's a good thing it's easy to spot a commie since they spout "FACISMS" at anything they don't agree with.

Except it's been proven multiple times that BLM didn't riot and shoot people; you had staged players involved with the intent of discrediting the organization by any means possible.

As far as proper channels go, I'm sure we both know that's a load of crap. How can someone be so protective of the ideal that a tyrannical government should be overthrown deflect that same idea when it doesn't fit their narrative? Conservative Republicans, more often than not, are dead firm believers of this, and the Second Amendment especially, but as soon as some non white people get involved it's "They should've done it the right way", despite numerous instances over time of people needing to do exactly what they've done in order to get the recognition of being treated equally. Women, non whites, the bottom rung economic class... these groups and more have had to hold demonstrations, protests, even riots in some cases, because "going through the proper channels" didn't and doesn't work for them.

You really gotta hop off that hypocritical horse buddy.
Yes they do and this is a perfect example of an ignorant individual who doesn't know what they fuck they're talking about and are ignorant to their own surroundings. There are multiple accounts of their criminality and you choose to ignore it. If that's not cult like ignorance I don't know what is.

You call me hypocritical, but you will find the biggest one once you look in the mirror.
 

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Yes they do and this is a perfect example of an ignorant individual who doesn't know what they fuck they're talking about and are ignorant to their own surroundings. There are multiple accounts of their criminality and you choose to ignore it. If that's not cult like ignorance I don't know what is.

You call me hypocritical, but you will find the biggest one once you look in the mirror.

Well it was a nice try on your part, but you can't pick and choose what you consider the truth when the facts have been clearly presented multiple times. And just because you're adamant about your OPINIONS does not make them fact, no matter how hard you try.

Show me some examples of straight up BLM criminality from a non Republican backed news source and we'll talk.

Although, I'm sure you'll hit this argument back with "No YOU provide sources!" because God forbid a hard-core Conservative Republican sites an unbiased news source.

Maybe you should double check your hypocrisy and ignorance. You're getting a little emotional over a political debate ‍♂️♀️
 
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That's pretty dope. It's almost like he's teaching kids, and by extension the general public through these "secret" video recordings, how easy it is to become radicalized.

Like people complain about Antifa and the Taliban and blah blah blah but nobody stops to realize that this is a control tool every country (yes folks, even the U.S.!) uses to massively brainwash and turn groups of people against a centralized enemy. Hell, look at undecided voters. That's literally a glaring, albeit more subtle, example of modern radicalism on a scale hardly anyone notices.

Then you have the media that constantly spews out misinformation or, even if they get it right more often than not, they pack a bunch of random pictures and videos and news articles together meant to have the average viewer create connections where none were meant to be. It's like continuously showing Indians (from India) subsequently preceding 7/11 ads and shit and now everyone automatically associates the two together.

In this day and age it pays to get information from multiple perspectives. One perspective preaches bias, multiple perspectives and general apathy is about as close as someone can get to a truly unbiased news source
 
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That's pretty dope. It's almost like he's teaching kids, and by extension the general public through these "secret" video recordings, how easy it is to become radicalized.

Like people complain about Antifa and the Taliban and blah blah blah but nobody stops to realize that this is a control tool every country (yes folks, even the U.S.!) uses to massively brainwash and turn groups of people against a centralized enemy. Hell, look at undecided voters. That's literally a glaring, albeit more subtle, example of modern radicalism on a scale hardly anyone notices.

Then you have the media that constantly spews out misinformation or, even if they get it right more often than not, they pack a bunch of random pictures and videos and news articles together meant to have the average viewer create connections where none were meant to be. It's like continuously showing Indians (from India) subsequently preceding 7/11 ads and shit and now everyone automatically associates the two together.

In this day and age it pays to get information from multiple perspectives. One perspective preaches bias, multiple perspectives and general apathy is about as close as someone can get to a truly unbiased news source
Lets talk about media a little. Taking newspapers as an example.

Every paper has an "editorial line" - best example I ever came across to illustrate it is a NYT job ad for their new moscow bureau chief - that read as following:
Vladimir Putin’s Russia remains one of the biggest stories in the world.

It sends out hit squads armed with nerve agents against its enemies, most recently the opposition leader Aleksei Navalny. It has its cyber agents sow chaos and disharmony in the West to tarnish its democratic systems, while promoting its faux version of democracy. It has deployed private military contractors around the globe to secretly spread its influence. At home, its hospitals are filling up fast with Covid patients as its president hides out in his villa.

If that sounds like a place you want to cover, […]
That comes partly from the editorial desk, and partly from company culture. And it is self-perpetuating. People read the paper, people take jobinterviews with that paper knowing what it stands for, people get selected in job interviews based on if they'd fit in with the team, team arround you has a certain view in you daily working life -- what results is basically an ecosystem. So no one is necessarily giving those out as rules, but everyone knows what a paper stands for and 'self adjusts'.

Then there is financiers or sponsors of a paper -- especially important if there is no more money to be made in news (because facebook and craigslist got all them moneys), because the editorial staff becomes more reliant on money from the outside. And especially importent in the US, as you dont have publicly financed media outlets anymore (aside from maybe NPR). That usually (best case scenario.. ;) ) comes into play as "red lines", so stuff where you'd selfcensor, or could be fairly certain, that the owner/board wouldnt me happy to have it published.

Then there is "access", best explained on "government access", where papers get fed exclusives from PR people, if they can be fairly certain that the reporting will be positive, and with plenty of "good will". This is also self enforcing, because its a benefit for both the PR folks and the paper. And even if you arent hooked on exclusives, if you are a part of the (f.e. capitol hill) scene, this also influences your perception of topics after a while.

Then there is "national security", which can be invoked, to halt a certain article from being published, but afaik this would be in the hands of the owners of a paper, if they adhere to it or not.

Now, why am I writing this?

There is commentary and there is news. Commentary is basically written by "experts" the paper either sources depending on the topic, or has amongst its own staffers. Outside sources, get picked up more often, if you had them in the past - so over time this also creates a familiarity. Commentary, more often than not is "one of the issues of the day", as viewed through the "editorial line" lens of a paper. Its opinions, feelings, thoughts, everything thats not news, but context.

And then there is news. Which should be matter of fact, best practice - fact based, reporting. And usually is done in neutral language. (At least in newspapers, publishing daily. In weeklies - they usually still try to give context.).

Now to why I'm writing this. Journalism usually doesnt try to "create" themes, stories or impressions with the placement of news. The front page can be an exception. They dont try to "create connections" - where none are. As mentioned in the posting above.

Thats distinctly not what journalism does - and if it would do so, it would have ventured into PR work.

And journalism doesnt explain context over a longer period. So it doesnt tell you how stuff developed, or a more fully fledged context on things, outside of some topics that make it into commentary, and then commentary itself has no incentive to be thorough or all encompassing or..

Thats really on the reader. Or people who read and write books.. ;)
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In this entire configuration it imho is important to understand, that its almost impossible to claim, or demand "impartiality" in der interest of the user, because - basically its hard for people in groups to stay impartial, and some bias (even of the unconscious kind), always is expected.

Even with news, even if you try to verify stories using multiple sources, even in the best case scenario.

Thats why multiple perspectives and newspaper sources are so important. You literally cant get better informed by one source, and you cant demand "impartiality" - because on some level nothing is.
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Now lets get into why it might have gotten worse in the social media age.

- First, investigative reporting is expensive. So why should you pay for it, if people dont pay for news anymore - and noone has to look for stories anymore, you get them for free over blogs and twitter! Means investigative reporting is under risk of dying out. News outlets these days are usually bundling their departments on bigger investigative stories with the staff of other newsoutlets - in essence so it doesnt cost as much.

- Being first is more important than being correct. This is an attention economy thing in the digital age, that also has to do with "who gets the first link out, that can be shared" >> this is then the story that will get most clicks.

- "Veryfied by other newspaper sources" got highjacked by the blog economy. So blogs would provide sources, that less reputable rags would pick up, then a more reputable paper would take two of those, to verify that the story was correct (source could still have been the same blog), then more reputable papers would go with that news paper source, and so on and so forth... So PR Agencies pretty much had figured out how to "seed" certain stories a few years after facebook became mainstream.

- People being stuck in their facebook feeds for news consumption. Facebook algo doesnt select by "truth" or "quality" it selects by "popularity" and it self inforces - you on theories and stories and angles, that you like, because they are easier for you to parse, they give you better emotions, ... and then bubble.

News papers at least try to verify stories, and have other journalists near by people can talk with and ask questions and so on --- so any news outlet is better, than following the blogosphere, or whatever ends up in your facebook feed (where you dont click through and then dont know if it came from a marketing initiative or a news outlet).

Sidenote: Tucker is not news, and neither are your radio shockjocks. Thats commentary again - see above.. ;)
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Aside from that there are other biases, and stuff newsoutlets are prone to, from "what sells the paper" to "agenda setting" -- (thats the stuff gatekeepers do). Which come with their own problems.

But then what happened to public "informedness", once gatekeepers got eliminated, turned out to be the following. Everyone shared "horrorshow" an "scandal" and "you wouldnt believe" and "hate", "anger", "fear", about 100x as often as any other stuff.

Pretty much ending with Facebook having to play the gatekeeper role again, just this time algorithmically - and in very select cases (banning Trump, was the most high profile so far), and thats also far from ideal, which brings us back to..

Please actively look out news sources, see, that you get some from multiple (or at least "both") sides of the spectrum, to actually get a deeper understanding about stuff. Try to stay away from stuff that mainly tries to hook emotionally, and read commentary mostly for entertainment. (Panel discussions and so on, might or might not be different).
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And if you can, try to stay away from statements like "they mostly lie, and when they do not...", because most of the issues actually come from systemic problems that are pretty much impossible to get rid of -- and if journalism does try one thing, its pretty much - not to lie.

There are plenty incentives for them not to get caught in a lie also. But then - there also is framing, and depending on how strong the "partisan activism" (or the hand of the sponsor) of a paper is, you might end up on a couch on fox news and framing the entire news day -- but even then, thats usually done via commentary, and the newsdesk usually sends out more "neutrally" written stuff, even on Fox.

(Well, up until a point. Do you remember when Trump called Fox fake news and told you to watch Newsmax insted? And you all did? Rupert Murdock actually worried about his viewer numbers, fired part of the Fox news desk, and made sure, personally, that they got viewernumbers back -- which was not "journalistic" at all, But something of which the owner of the channel thought, it had to be done. Allegedly.)
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Influence as in "someone tells a journalist what to write", or "someone creates a page in a certain way, so connections are implied that arent there" usually isnt common at all. Partly because even as a paper owner you dont have to (people tend to write "in the style of a paper" on their own), partly, because you cant. (Newsschedule is now as close as possible to realtime, so even "designing the frontpage" has become less and less important).
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So how to influence best. Best influence method today is microtargeting, via (political) ads, and thats something that mostly gets "bought on" and facilitated via social media platforms. So if you break out of your facebook or twitter feed for news consumption -- you've almost done enough already to not have your opinion decided by those. Next step is to be aware that very impactful (usually negative) emotions (hate, anger, fear, loss...) are used to get certain messages to spread far faster and wider, than their rebuttals ever could. So try not to mainly fall for those, if possible. Look up puppy videos on youtube instead, they'll also do the trick.
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Most often sentiments like "the media lies" are driven by feelings that your own "perceived reality", doenst get featured in mainstream media anymore.

And that can have two causes. First - media is "too liberal" and doesnt tell "proper conservative truth", in which case - please still keep reading liberal media outlets, as well as "the new frontiersman", you conservative paper of choice. It will benefit you over time. But also the other way around. With a special case of that being, media f.e. being reluctant to report on crises, where a negative public perception would make them worse. (Migration crisis would be the classic example.)

Second - you have become an emo, and are only consuming fringe news, that usually give you the real fluffpieces, or horrorshow, or the russian perspective - exclusively. And while being an emo is totally fine and could score you the protagonist role in the next Square Enix game, in terms of news consumption, thats not ideal.
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End of textwall. :) You can go now. Play a game, or something.. ;)

edIt: This is mostly a writeup for news ecosystems in western ("democratic") countries. If most of the media is stateowned in your country, and independent news outlets get shut down because "they be financed by the enemy" - the media ecosystem plays out much differently, of course.
 
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Looks like recall is going to lose. Also,


Well....


With shit like this happening (again), can you really blame them for calling voter fraud?

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Well it was a nice try on your part, but you can't pick and choose what you consider the truth when the facts have been clearly presented multiple times. And just because you're adamant about your OPINIONS does not make them fact, no matter how hard you try.

Show me some examples of straight up BLM criminality from a non Republican backed news source and we'll talk.

Although, I'm sure you'll hit this argument back with "No YOU provide sources!" because God forbid a hard-core Conservative Republican sites an unbiased news source.

Maybe you should double check your hypocrisy and ignorance. You're getting a little emotional over a political debate ‍♂️♀️
First off, apologies for late response, I got sick and caught up in doing something for a while.

Second, while something are my opinions, it is fact that antifa and blm rioted throughout the past year and a half. There are videos showing it online, and people still refuse to believe it! So don't talk to me like I don't know the truth when it's clear you don't. If anything, half the members here are hypocrites and ignorance for not knowing these simple truths that are easy to look up. And you want me to provide source from a non-Republican back news source? Oh yeah, doesn't sound bias. Only liberals aren't bias pieces of shit scum that tell the truth. You have no idea how the mainstream media works, do you?

But I decided to humor you since even though you claim people like me don't provide sources yes you spout out this shit, I shall take pity on you. Here are some what one would consider non-republican backed news sites that you oh so crave actually calling the riots, well, riots.


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/aust...media-says-theyre-mostly-peaceful/ar-BB198RTB

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/539903-putting-antifa-and-black-lives-matter-on-notice

https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/liberal-amnesia-about-last-summers-riots/
 
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First off, apologies for late response, I got sick and caught up in doing something for a while.

Second, while something are my opinions, it is fact that antifa and blm rioted throughout the past year and a half. There are videos showing it online, and people still refuse to believe it! So don't talk to me like I don't know the truth when it's clear you don't. If anything, half the members here are hypocrites and ignorance for not knowing these simple truths that are easy to look up. And you want me to provide source from a non-Republican back news source? Oh yeah, doesn't sound bias. Only liberals aren't bias pieces of shit scum that tell the truth. You have no idea how the mainstream media works, do you?

But I decided to humor you since even though you claim people like me don't provide sources yes you spout out this shit, I shall take pity on you. Here are some what one would consider non-republican backed news sites that you oh so crave actually calling the riots, well, riots.


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/aust...media-says-theyre-mostly-peaceful/ar-BB198RTB

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/539903-putting-antifa-and-black-lives-matter-on-notice

https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/liberal-amnesia-about-last-summers-riots/

No worries, glad you're feeling better.

Even with posting links from "un-biased" or "non-Republican" news sources, you've still proved my point. The first link you posted is almost entirely a blog moreso than an actual news article. The only references it has are still shots from other news coverage. The second link you provide actually states that individual members of BLM and Antifa, who are still reported to be right wing infiltration, are the ones enacting the violence, and the article even states that BLM needs to move away from the violence, due to the fact that it's a decentralized organization, basically meaning anyone can claim to be a member of either with little to no scrutiny and enact horrors with said organizations metaphorical banner. The New York post is amazing, in the sense that every article it shits out is filled with drivel that actually links to itself to save the guise of credibility. Not one link I clicked on had a url that directed to anything other than a previously written NYPpost article.

So while your attempt to humor me obviously took a wrong turn, I will withdraw my position on all Republicans not being able to site sources. Maybe next time you could cite some that actually back your claims?
 

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Well....


With shit like this happening (again), can you really blame them for calling voter fraud?

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First off, apologies for late response, I got sick and caught up in doing something for a while.

Second, while something are my opinions, it is fact that antifa and blm rioted throughout the past year and a half. There are videos showing it online, and people still refuse to believe it! So don't talk to me like I don't know the truth when it's clear you don't. If anything, half the members here are hypocrites and ignorance for not knowing these simple truths that are easy to look up. And you want me to provide source from a non-Republican back news source? Oh yeah, doesn't sound bias. Only liberals aren't bias pieces of shit scum that tell the truth. You have no idea how the mainstream media works, do you?

But I decided to humor you since even though you claim people like me don't provide sources yes you spout out this shit, I shall take pity on you. Here are some what one would consider non-republican backed news sites that you oh so crave actually calling the riots, well, riots.


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/aust...media-says-theyre-mostly-peaceful/ar-BB198RTB

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/539903-putting-antifa-and-black-lives-matter-on-notice

https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/liberal-amnesia-about-last-summers-riots/

You're telling me that they had the power to rig an election but not the power to stop the recall from happening in the first place?
lol you know what happens when your candidate is just a token piece and says f#$k stuff in a DEEP Blue State.. you lose with 30% of the vote.. The only Fraud that happened was allowing Elder to be a Fraud of a Candidate
 
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You're telling me that they had the power to rig an election but not the power to stop the recall from happening in the first place?
lol you know what happens when your candidate is just a token piece and says f#$k stuff in a DEEP Blue State.. you lose with 30% of the vote.. The only Fraud that happened was allowing Elder to be a Fraud of a Candidate

Stopping the CA recall completely would be a bad political move, because they can't silence nearly half of the state (I think it's at 44% yes).
Voter fraud would be the way to go, since all the ballots are mail-in.

That being said, I don't think the recall failed because of fraud.
It failed because California is a hugely democrat state, and people are swayed more by political affiliation than logic.
 

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Stopping the CA recall completely would be a bad political move, because they can't silence nearly half of the state (I think it's at 44% yes).
Voter fraud would be the way to go, since all the ballots are mail-in.

That being said, I don't think the recall failed because of fraud.
It failed because California is a hugely democrat state, and people are swayed more by political affiliation than logic.
I don't think you saying wrong info with Malicious intent but speaking misconceptions doe not help
"they can't silence nearly half of the state" the Recall was only able to get 1,626,00 valid signatures and thats after The petition was initially given a signature deadline of November 17, 2020, but was extended to March 17, 2021, by Sacramento County Superior Court Judge James P. Arguelles due to the pandemic.
and even after that at correct count only have 36% at 3,300,00 as yesterdays election
Ca has 22million Voters ..3.3 Mil is barely 12% of CA ...NOWHERE NEAR "Half of the State" That most Conservatives talking Points want to claim "half the State' To justify CA wasting $300mill on this unnecessary election
 
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You're telling me that they had the power to rig an election but not the power to stop the recall from happening in the first place?
lol you know what happens when your candidate is just a token piece and says f#$k stuff in a DEEP Blue State.. you lose with 30% of the vote.. The only Fraud that happened was allowing Elder to be a Fraud of a Candidate
Wow, that loyalty just flew away the moment defeat was inevitable. I feel really bad for right wingers, they not only have the numbers showing they're typically the less educated, less vaccinated, and more violent fraction of the country, their ability to empathize and support their people in defeat is worse than the conditional love of a yuppie parent after a bad soccer game. That being said, I did myself the disservice of checking that link, and... ouch. The "Sources" page first links to his own website's posting of the same, and then links... to the same story from multiple sources, a guide from a county on how to ensure your vote is counted, an old debunked story about a mail thief (who, if I remember right, was a Trump supporter to begin with)... I don't think you understand how to cite sources well, comrade.
 
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I don't think you saying wrong info with Malicious intent but speaking misconceptions doe not help
"they can't silence nearly half of the state" the Recall was only able to get 1,626,00 valid signatures and thats after The petition was initially given a signature deadline of November 17, 2020, but was extended to March 17, 2021, by Sacramento County Superior Court Judge James P. Arguelles due to the pandemic.
and even after that at correct count only have 36% at 3,300,00 as yesterdays election
Ca has 22million Voters ..3.3 Mil is barely 12% of CA ...NOWHERE NEAR "Half of the State" That most Conservatives talking Points want to claim "half the State' To justify CA wasting $300mill on this unnecessary election

Exact numbers don't change the substance of the argument. You can't silence a large portion of the state.
Non-voters are irrelevant.
 
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Exact numbers don't change the substance of the argument. You can't silence a large portion of the state.
Non-voters are irrelevant.
LOLOL "exact Numbers:" lol yup Exact info does not mean True lolol
...oh I guess you did have Malicious intent ....as 12% ( HECK EVEN 36%) is nowhere 50% and does not justify wasting $300Million that could of been used for 300Million better reasons
 
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LOLOL "exact Numbers:" lol yup Exact info does not mean True lolol
...oh I guess you did have Malicious intent ....as 12% ( HECK EVEN 36%) is nowhere 50% and does not justify wasting $300Million that could of been used for 300Million better reasons


My point is that there are too many people to outright ignore the recall effort.
You are the one that said they would ignore the election before commiting fraud.
I'm saying that isn't possible for a popular movement; fraud would be more likely.

That being said, you consistently argue in bad faith.
You're obviously trolling and its not going to work on me :grog:
 
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Exact numbers don't change the substance of the argument. You can't silence a large portion of the state.
Non-voters are irrelevant.
I believe the term you're looking for is "Potential Voters", and they're absolutely relevant the second they show up to the polls. Bigger issues draw bigger turnouts, and tend to show how blue a state really is. It only took less than 2 million folk to start this crazy train without any pushback from the other side/state majority, and now barely more than that number came out in support for Elder (which shows just how large a voting block they actually are), while several million more wanted to keep the current administration going. It was never triggered by any sort of major voting group wanting change, it was always a minority calling out and abusing recall rules... And now it has only served to empower a really lackluster democrat with delusions of self importance and a dream of a run for the white house.

As an employee of the Registrar of Voters, I can assure you that voting is both safe and incredibly well monitored by third parties, as we've been having so... so many public observers... totally not slowing us down. Also, you should listen to the pretty panda. Seems to be arguing pretty well.
 

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My point is that there are too many people to outright ignore the recall effort....
That being said, you consistently argue in bad faith.
First 1,626,00 or 7% of the voters should have never been given right to recall and the Recall bar should be raised to avoid political shenanigans.
and the definition of Bad Faith is your statement.. alternate reality

Exact numbers don't change the substance of the argument..
 
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