I bought a brand new DS4 (prefer it to the sense) and tried installing hall effect joysticks on it. The right one failed. Bought another motherboard and tried again. This time it worked. These ones are constantly shaking when centered and also when you push them around so if I hold the camera still in third person games for example and the joystick jitter isn't killed by the deadzone, the camera shakes or trembles. You rarely notice it when playing games but it's there. The switch joysticks doesn't do that. Different tech I suppose.