i didnt even think this thread would get this much traction, hence why my responses to many things are lackluster and repetative, but your sister seems like she was a good teacher
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opinions on teaching about lgbtq+ in school
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Just so it's been put into words at least once in here, when people start to talk down to you you can just move on and ignore them. Plenty of people in this forum don't actually want to engage and instead just pull a random opinion card from their deck of default responses, post it, and then when pressed pull the next card.
You're not going to get actual answers from people that just go and tell you you're brainwashed, because the point isn't to have a dialog, the point is to exhaust and overwhelm you.
It's a very effective technique and one you'll have to get familiar with, it's also often used as part of propaganda campaigns for various purposes.
As such, if you have to spend an undue amount of time asking and get nothing of substance back, discard what they say and move on. If it still intrigues you you could try having a search elsewhere about some of the points they've raised, or better yet ask one of the adults in your life that you trust to give you the down low on whatever the hell they've said. Particularly if they're internet savy they can probably explain wtf is going on.
For this particular topic, the "brainwashing" is part of an ongoing culture war the alt-right in the US is having with everyone else, where sex education and any talk about gender identity is being labelled as grooming to force people to think that everything relating to LGBTQIA+ topics is inherently of sexual and predatory nature. This is simply a ploy to stigmatize all related movements and topics and negatively taint all discussions and topics of it, making it an easier enemy to gain votes on for various elections.
You likely won't have this as a topic in school but similar shit has happened over here in Germany where the nazi party hunted down queer people for existing, burned all research on sexuality at our largest university and research institution for sexuality (link), and then ultimately put a lot of queer people right into concentration camps together with the other undesirables like Jews, Roma, Sinti, autists, and basically anyone else that wasn't aryan.
If you want to have a more in-depth primer I would tentatively suggest giving a watch to Some More News recent video about that same topic: "Who Are The Real "Groomers"?". which is effectively a vlog working through that entire topic. However it's aimed at millenials, the jokes are crass, the host is bearded, and it's rather dense, depressing, and long due to the topic.
And now I wait for the usual suspects to throw the usual tantrums about the "bad" word I used above.
It's because it's a divisive topic among some people since we see more and more as the lgbtq+ tries to push it's agenda onto everything, it gets to a point where you ask yourself: when is it too much?
Some of just want things to stay simple, like a woman is a woman, a trans woman is a trans woman or a dude but never a woman for example. Nowadays people speak too much about it and they show so much on the news and places that it gets tiresome at some point. So yeah, it was logical it would get so much traction
i dont understand why members of the lgbtqia+ community sometimes get linked in with bad people like groomers or predators
A nationwide anti-LGBTQ+, falsely-labeled "March for Children" is happening in Canada today, with counter-protests across the country. Rightwing groups are pushing their bigoted agenda very hard at the moment, which is why you're getting such a response. They might superficially say "live and let live", but their actions clearly show that their goal is to put anyone who isn't hetero-binary back into the closet and undo decades of social progress. So, you just put yourself in their sights by posting this thread. But please know that not all of us want to drag society back to the Dark Ages.
P.S. The groomer/predator thing is just propaganda, a way to demonize non-hetero-binary people.
It boils down to guilt by association, to stop people from wanting to be part of that group, or support the group, and then target them more easily for harassment due to the negative associations of the terms being used. It's an attack strategy pure and simple.
Thats terrible.. I really hope nobody on this site went to it. "March for children" teenagers are children, many of us are lgbtq.
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99% of us are just people wanting to live our lives, sure theres some bad people, but that happens in any group.
That's because some people want things like they were before so they kinda group them together in order to get rid of them, it's the easiest way unfortunately. Others simply do it because of hate. Sometimes there might be groomers or predators in that group so....there are a lot of reasons (wether good or bad)
There can be groomers or predators in any group, and the very very very large majority of the lgbtq are NOT groomers or predators, so its dumb they say we are predators or groomers when we are not
That's why I said might, because not all of them are. I'm thinking there's also some groomers or predators that try to utilise this lgbtq stuff as a facade, like even if they are not in the lgbtq group they say they are in order to escape punishment (not that it works but they still try) So yeah, it's a sticky topic
It's also projection. Right wingers by far, have significantly higher numbers when it comes to sex related crimes.
1.1k examples: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...n-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-45
Note. Not all of the examples involve children but there are a number that are.
yeah, also some people on twitter tried to make "MAP"s. They made the flag simmilar to the trans flag. They want to be a part of the lgbtq, but they arent, they are trying to make us look bad
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ah yes and WE are the groomers apparently
True, but it is a very deliberate, coordinated, well-funded, propaganda strategy, not an honest description. If you can get people to associate LGBTQ+ with rape, violence, child abuse, etc... then you are much more likely to be able to stoke hatred against them and use them as a political scapegoat/tool. Sadly, this rightwing propaganda/disinformation campaign has been extremely effective, as evidenced in this forum/thread. These people didn't get their anti-LGBTQ+ opinions out of thin air; rather, they are the result of memes that have been quite intentionally put out there en mass to shape public opinion and generate negative feelings about LGBTQ+ people. It's all quite cynical and disturbing.
If you're old enough to learn that straight people fall in love and fuck, you're old enough to learn that gay people fall in love and fuck.
Correct, but it doesn't matter to the group pushing that narrative. To them anyone that is not part of their exact group is the enemy, and they blame their recent political loses in elections on the "leftie" education in school, so they're trying to get rid of it. They can't attack the movement directly so they invent a target that's easy to defeat and impossible to defend, and attack that instead.
It's hypocrisy and it's on purpose. If they actually cared about kids getting groomed they would all support sex ed for kids, because that has been proven to be incredibly effective at preventing sexual abuse of children. But they want to get rid of that education instead. Unsurprisingly those are also usually the same people that support children being married to adults, or people in positions of power that got there specifically to abuse the power.
You know? The intelligence on this topic has long since gone. I mean, I have no problem with people doing whathever they strike fancy. I grow up that way, and with no school involved with those topics. You want peace? give peace. If someone or something troubles you, stand up for it or ask for help.
But now, it looks like all of those groups DEMAND attention, not just being accepted. That is the problem.
Since I was a child, there have been gays, lesbians, bisexuals, you name it. One chooses what to believe, what to do, with whom you will be friends. That's it. No more needs to be said. I have a peaceful life thinking this way. I educated my kids like this, too. But look at the news!! Some lgtb groups did this, some lesbians done that, some others have appeared because one word offended them... That kind of thing is what destroyed every intelligent thing to say about this.
I learned and share the knowledge of live and let die, but the lgtb groups don't. So, who is the problematic side here? Society was a bit more calm when all of this topics were less talked about.
I don't want to start a discussion. Just sharing my two cents.
But now, it looks like all of those groups DEMAND attention, not just being accepted. That is the problem.
Since I was a child, there have been gays, lesbians, bisexuals, you name it. One chooses what to believe, what to do, with whom you will be friends. That's it. No more needs to be said. I have a peaceful life thinking this way. I educated my kids like this, too. But look at the news!! Some lgtb groups did this, some lesbians done that, some others have appeared because one word offended them... That kind of thing is what destroyed every intelligent thing to say about this.
I learned and share the knowledge of live and let die, but the lgtb groups don't. So, who is the problematic side here? Society was a bit more calm when all of this topics were less talked about.
I don't want to start a discussion. Just sharing my two cents.
THe hypocrisy is wild ngl, alot of them say that we support "Maps" (basically just pedophiles). But if anything we are against that, the maps tried to make they flag look like the trans flag, they tried to associate with us.
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If you chop the dick off of a male pig, its still biologically a male.
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Pedophiles. Just pedophiles.
I said basically because they try to say they arent.. But maps are not welcome in the lgbtq regardless so, dont try to group those people in with us.
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