Opinions on the anti-lgbtq legislation.

[SonowRaevius]

Always deflecting, they BOTH are, that's the whole point, it doesn't matter your affiliation (that last comment was made while angry so I'm not sure how people will react)

Funny thing is I didn't insult you and addressed everything you said head on, yet you chose not to respond to me or straight up ignored the post. Either way, you still have yet to answer what exactly is indecent about people being completely dressed up and reading to kids, whether it is feminine clothing or not holds no barring as indecency pertains to people wearing revealing or no clothing, which is not what drag queens do.

Also, I really hate the "both sides are just as bad as each" spiel, especially when one side is just people dressing up and basically playing pretend, while the other is people pretending to be good, sinless people that are literally molesting and raping children ((and in some case impregnating them)), while also existing in an institute that will do its darndest to hide these facts, but yet the "Leave those kids alone" crowd ((yourself included)) aren't saying anything about it and act like it is deflecting someone brings up this fact.

So please, do educate us, how is dressing in drag is comparable to actual sexual abuse and grooming?

 

[Bunjolio]

This is all so stupid. Im going to split this up a bit.

Leave the kids alone. They don't care. They just imitate and learn, they don't know anything about anything, especially sex and gender roles. They don't care. Any kids that say they do are just imitating someone. That's why the kids all watch the same shitty shows and listen to the same shitty music. Shared opinions on almost everything. That's why the drag queen thing scares people. And just to be clear, there are different kinds of drag. Some are tasteful, respectful and discreet. Some are meant to be caricatures that disturb and offend. Look up Devine. I saw Pink Flamingos at a very young age. . That shit sticks with you. There are MANY people who don't care the venue and can't see the difference. Bottom line is Parents have the right to teach their kids in a way they see fit. Schools are not the proper venue for this. I wouldn't want a bikini model reading stories to my kids! Why? Because it's inappropriate! It's a school not a beach. She fits all the societal norms but a roomfull of children is not the place for her to be exposed. It's not prejudice, it's common sense. If it's a tasteful drag queen who is not trying to shock people.. meh. Nothing over the top. I personally don't see an issue. However, it's not my kid or my place to say so. Let parents be parents. They make decisions for their kids. Whether you agree or not. It's their kids. The kids need to be kids.

Please stop screwing with language. It's not the evolution of language. It's confusing the issue, pure and simple. Why not call all trans people trans? Accross the board? Trans male, trans female? Because it's not fair to single you out? Better than the words generations past called you. If that's unacceptable then how come calling non trans people Cis, breeders and normies is okay? It's not. How come you call us normies but if I refer to a straight person as normal I'm a bigot and all hell breaks loose? Hypocrisy. You're singling people out! It makes people uncomfortable! You're intolerant and have become oppressors at that point. There is an established status quo, it will change over time, just don't be surprised if people don't want it to. I am a Man and my Wife is a Woman. I will never refer to her anything else no matter what you say. How dare you tell me to do so. Just make a new term for the new thing. Don't change the existing language to mean something different. This mentality is causing a big portion of the backlash. Cis is a derogatory term in the gay community. Especially in context of Cis women. That's total bullshit. Everyone came from a biological woman.

Leave the women alone.

Pronouns?! This is more bullshit. Her/she & Him/he.. fine. I'll call you the gender you want. It makes no difference. Lots of people make it as convoluted as possible and get mad when people get it wrong. "Im not He it they, I'm an IT! I'm offended!" Fuck off. You're just being an asshole! You are confused and want everyone else to be confused too. STFU. They/them?? You gotta be kidding. Obliterating grammar and making everyone sound uneducated just to further confuse people. I can see that being a burgeoning trans must be confusing, Don't try to confuse everyone else. Come on.

Everything above should be common sense. Just let people be. The door swings both ways. Screw with them, they screw with you. Let parents decide what's best for their kids. Not all kids, just theirs. We shouldn't need laws for any of this. You have a right to be reasonably happy, so does everyone else. And stop belittling people. If you won't, dont be surprised when they give zero respct to you. You don't have to be in the closet. You don't have to be in people's faces either. Back up. 6ft please. I value my personal space and your breath stinks. Get out of my face.

Next, the real issue. THERE IS NO SCENARIO IN WHICH TRANSITIONING A CHILD IS OKAY. This is ludacris! 10 year olds? I swore up and down i was TMNT when I was 10!! I didn't need a damn species change. No Shell transplant. Didn't sew my fingers together. If I had my parents would have been arrested! There absolutely should be laws againt this type of child abuse. Letting a boy play with dolls or dress in pink is fine. No harm no foul. Puberty blockers? mastectomy at 13? Castrations for preteens? Whomever talked those kids into this, funded it, drove them to appointments or actually administered the procedure should be locked up. This is disgusting, harmful, stupid, crazy, abusive and permanent! THIS is why most of these legislations are gaining traction. I wish we didn't need common sense laws. Dont drink and drive, cover your mouth, wash your hands. People can't grasp these things so we need shitty laws. Letting kids be kids is another thing we shouldn't need laws for. Too many mentally ill people who project their shit on their kids.

Leave the kids alone!

Laws are usually made to protect the weak. These laws are intended to protect Women and Children. Leave them alone and this will fade. I have zero sympathy to anyone who thinks it's okay to screw with women and kids.

Lock them up!

ok like im not reading allat but like, they tryna ban gender afirming care for adults too. They tryna get rid of lgbtq people bro. But still. (also cis really isnt a slur <3) and you say parents should decide whats best for kids, what if the parents dont want their kid to be in the lgbtq and their kid wants to be?

 

[tabzer]

ok like im not reading allat but like, they tryna ban gender afirming care for adults too. They tryna get rid of lgbtq people bro. But still. (also cis really isnt a slur <3) and you say parents should decide whats best for kids, what if the parents dont want their kid to be in the lgbtq and their kid wants to be?

This kid doesn't want to learn. Just standing on a soapbox while avoiding his parents. Have the talk with your parents, then come back. Any term that marginalizes people is a slur whether it's gay or cis. You may wear it as a badge of honor to enhance your edge but not everyone does.

 

[Bunjolio]

This kid doesn't want to learn. Just standing on a soapbox while avoiding his parents. Have the talk with your parents, then come back. Any term that marginalizes people is a slur whether it's gay or cis. You may wear it as a badge of honor to enhance your edge but not everyone does.

the talk about what? Im not ready to come out bud. And the word cis is alot different than the f slur.

 

[tabzer]

the talk about what? Im not ready to come out bud. And the word cis is alot different than the f slur.

"Fuck" is different than "cunt" and they are both different from "k*k*" and "n*****" and gay is still a slur. The intensity doesn't change the fact that they are slurs.

You coming out to us. Strangers on the internet. You aren't real. Go find yourself. Preferably outside

 

[Bunjolio]

"Fuck" is different than "cunt" and they are both different from "k*k*" and "n*****" and gay is still a slur. The intensity doesn't change the fact that they are slurs.

You coming out to us. Strangers on the internet. You aren't real. Go find yourself. Preferably outside

I have school lmao, and i do go outside, im actually quite fit. I just feel as if cis isnt a slur, you can say it is but in my eyes it wont ever be

 

[pubert09]

Too many of these arguments on here are bogged down by worst examples or while admitting arbitrary interpretations want others to take on their own arbitrary interpretation.

 

[tabzer]

My opinion is that 1+1=1. You must respect it @linuxares. What about the opinions of fascists?

My point was that someone who wants inclusion wants to marginalize people in the same breath. Understanding words is essential for communication, and we need some sort of basis of an agreed consensus, such as a dictionary.

The question was a literal challenge to think about why his opinion matters.

 

[trepp0]

I dropped my broom

 

[zekro94]

Funny thing is I didn't insult you and addressed everything you said head on, yet you chose not to respond to me or straight up ignored the post. Either way, you still have yet to answer what exactly is indecent about people being completely dressed up and reading to kids, whether it is feminine clothing or not holds no barring as indecency pertains to people wearing revealing or no clothing, which is not what drag queens do.

Also, I really hate the "both sides are just as bad as each" spiel, especially when one side is just people dressing up and basically playing pretend, while the other is people pretending to be good, sinless people that are literally molesting and raping children ((and in some case impregnating them)), while also existing in an institute that will do its darndest to hide these facts, but yet the "Leave those kids alone" crowd ((yourself included)) aren't saying anything about it and act like it is deflecting someone brings up this fact.

So please, do educate us, how is dressing in drag is comparable to actual sexual abuse and grooming?

I consider this excessive, there are a lot of drag queens that dress like this. And about the point of the other side hiding the facts and raping children, I do hate them also. I hate how they can sometimes not get jail time or get castrated. It's not like if I hate one side I have to defend the other. Drag queens are inherently about sexuality, celebrating it in a flamboyant way, so it has no place amongst children. Dressing like that gives kids the false impression that they can dress like that everyday, even for attending a meeting or something. Also why only kids?
I think this is the last time I get involved in a topic like this since the term "leave the kids alone" doesn't seem to mean anything to people, be them whatever they are, so feel free to say whatever you want to me, be it a insult, a slur or whatever. I wrote that message because it gets tiresome

ok like im not reading allat but like, they tryna ban gender afirming care for adults too. They tryna get rid of lgbtq people bro. But still. (also cis really isnt a slur <3) and you say parents should decide whats best for kids, what if the parents dont want their kid to be in the lgbtq and their kid wants to be?

So it's easier to just ignore a message if it's too long, figures. You're a kid after all, I don't know what I expected but whatever, do what you point anyway, it's pointless having a discussion

 

[mikefor20]

ok like im not reading allat but like, they tryna ban gender afirming care for adults too. They tryna get rid of lgbtq people bro. But still. (also cis really isnt a slur <3) and you say parents should decide whats best for kids, what if the parents dont want their kid to be in the lgbtq and their kid wants to be?

Cis is a slur. You bitching about pronouns and your right to choose them. But you want to assign new prefixes to people? Bullshit singling out people.

I don't care what adults do. Shove a pound of crushed glass up your ass If you want. I don't care. As long as I don't see it, smell it, taste it, touch it, hear it, pay for it, talk about it or deal with it in any way then adults can have at it. What do I care between consenting adults and doesn't involve me in any way, it's none of my business.

Children are not able to consent to anything. If you make your child get a tonsillectomy against their will they have no legal recourse. I ground my kid, and take their screens away, no legal recourse. If they want a new video game and I tell them "No" no legal recourse.

As long as you have no consent and have a legal guardian you don't legally own anything. Your guardians do. You have no choices, your guardians do. You have no real responsibility. Your guardians are responsible for you.

I am responsible for them and I don't want my kids to be spoiled entitled shits. They have responsibility. They don't get everything they ask for. They are well educated. They respect others. They are secure in themselves and don't bother people to get attention. They don't try to change themselves to win approval. So no I won't enable their every whim.

If they come out of the closet someday no big deal. Transition as an adult, none of my business really. But I'm not funding it. Still going to treat them as functional capable adults who can wipe their own asses and take care of themselves.. They are smart, they are strong and they are amazing.

If my 15 year old says "I'm trans, buy me a warbrobe and puberty blockers" I'd laugh my ass off. I'm not funding any of that. I will not allow a doctor to prescribe body altering pills. I will not sign any waivers, permission slips or anything allowing the mutilation or poisoning of my kids. That's not bad parenting, that's protecting them and teaching them nothing is free.

I would never tell them who they are or who to love. None of my business.

I would never let them make life altering irreversible decisions. Children are growing. At 15 you have about half a brain and you THINK you know everything. You think your parents are morons, but they taught you everything you know! You think you know the world but you've never seen anything or been anywhere. You think you know your sexuality but most of you haven't had sex! You just know porn and porn is different, can't smell porn. You have no clue who, what or where you are. Roll with it, grow some hair, learn. One day you'll see how stupid you were and thank god you didn't make all your own choices.

Leave them kids alone.

 

[Bunjolio]

Cis is a slur. You bitching about pronouns and your right to choose them. But you want to assign new prefixes to people? Bullshit singling out people.

I don't care what adults do. Shove a pound of crushed glass up your ass If you want. I don't care. As long as I don't see it, smell it, taste it, touch it, hear it, pay for it, talk about it or deal with it in any way then adults can have at it. What do I care between cinsenting adults and doesn't involve me in any way it's none of my business.

Children are not able to consent to anything. If you make your child get a tonsillectomy against their will they have no legal recourse. I ground my kid, and take their screens away, no legal recourse. If they want a new video game and I tell them "No" no legal recourse.

As long as you have no consent and have a legal guardian you don't legally own anything. Your guardians do. You have no choices, your guardians do. You have no real responsibility. Your guardians are responsible for you.

I am responsible for them and I don't want my kids to be spoiled entitled shits. They have responsibility. They don't get everything they ask for. They are well educated. They respect others. They are secure in themselves and don't bother people to get attention. They don't try to change themselves to win approval. So no I won't enable their every whim.

If they come out of the closet someday no big deal. Transition as an adult, none of my business really. But I'm not funding it. Still going to treat them as functional capable adults who can wipe their own asses and take care of themselves.. They are smart, they are strong and they will are amazing.

If my 15 year old says "I'm trans, buy me a warbrobe and puberty blockers" I'd laugh my ass off. I'm not funding any of that. I will not allow a doctor to prescribe body altering pills. I will not sign any waivers, permission slips or anything allowing the mutilation or poisoning of my kids. That's not bad parenting, that's protecting them and teaching them nothing is free.

I would never tell them who they are or who to love. None of my business.

I would never let them make life altering irreversable decisions. Children are growing. At 15 you have about half a brain and you THINK you know everything. You think your parents are morons, but they taught you everything you know! You think you know the world but you've never seen anything or been anywhere. You think you know your sexuality but most of you haven't had sex! You just know porn and porn is different, can't smell porn. You have no clue who, what or where you are. Roll with it, grow some hair, learn. One day you'll see how stupid you were and thank god you didn't make all your own choices.

Leave them kids alone.

grow some hair? i prefer to shave. And you can say cis is a slur all you want, but i personally feel that it isnt.

 

[wartutor]

Anyone in favor of these laws hates freedom and individuality. Plain and simple

Oh yeah i hate freedom....how about my right and freedom to raise my children how i see fit. To not have some man pretending to be a woman (and thats what they are doing idk how you look at it) confuse them at an early age...let kids be kids and quit trying to influence them...there really is no difference with what they are doing and how pedophiles groom kids except maybe (and i say maybe because now and days you just never know) the sex part... (get them at an early age before anyone teaches them better.)

 

[Bunjolio]

Oh yeah i hate freedom....how about my right and freedom to raise my children how i see fit. To not have some man pretending to be a woman (and thats what they are doing idk how you look at it) confuse them at an early age...let kids be kids and quit trying to influence them...there really is no difference with what they are doing and how pedophiles groom kids except maybe the sex part... (get them at an early age before anyone teaches them better.)

oh boy the transphobia in this one is wild. Ok so, trans people arent groomers, nor are drag queens. Trans women are women, trans men are men. Nothing wrong with reading books to people. Im sure if a cis woman did the same thing you wouldnt be freaking out, and yall call us snowflakes..

 

[tabzer]

grow some hair? i prefer to shave. And you can say cis is a slur all you want, but i personally feel that it isnt.

And you can say that Republicans are trying to erase LBGTQ, but they feel they aren't. Do you not see the issue?

 

[pubert09]

Drag queens are inherently about sexuality, celebrating it in a flamboyant way, so it has no place amongst children.

Does it have to be that, though? Can't a drag queen just show up and exist and read to kids. Is it not possible for them to just do that without sexuality? Lots of people exist without giving off a sexual vibe, I think they can too.

Dressing like that gives kids the false impression that they can dress like that everyday, even for attending a meeting or something.

That could be when parenting kicks in and you teach them it's not considered professional, just like showing up in an A shirt or booty shorts, for example.

I think this is the last time I get involved in a topic like this since the term "leave the kids alone" doesn't seem to mean anything to people, be them whatever they are, so feel free to say whatever you want to me, be it a insult, a slur or whatever. I wrote that message because it gets tiresome.

I think "leave the kids alone" is hard to interpret. Leave them alone from what? Things that are actually harmful? Things one just THINKS is harmful? Because one may think drag queens are harmful, but think guns are okay (just to use and example), but another may think the exact opposite. I think that's what can be dangerous about something so simple in wording - it lacks nuance.

 

[Bunjolio]

And you can say that Republicans are trying to erase LBGTQ, but they feel they aren't. Do you not see the issue?

but they are trying to erase us? Anyways, i dont think cis is too bad of a deal, but i digress

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Does it have to be that, though? Can't a drag queen just show up and exist and read to kids. Is it not possible for them to just do that without sexuality? Lots of people exist without giving off a sexual vibe, I think they can too.


That could be when parenting kicks in and you teach them it's not considered professional, just like showing up in an A shirt or booty shorts, for example.


I think "leave the kids alone" is hard to interpret. Leave them alone from what? Things that are actually harmful? Things one just THINKS is harmful? Because one may think drag queens are harmful, but think guns are okay (just to use and example), but another may think the exact opposite. I think that's what can be dangerous about something so simple in wording - it lacks nuance.

I swear people have a problem with silly expressive clothes, like they get that mad over some silly outfit

 

[tabzer]

Does it have to be that, though? Can't a drag queen just show up and exist and read to kids. Is it not possible for them to just do that without sexuality? Lots of people exist without giving off a sexual vibe, I think they can too.


That could be when parenting kicks in and you teach them it's not considered professional, just like showing up in an A shirt or booty shorts, for example.


I think "leave the kids alone" is hard to interpret. Leave them alone from what? Things that are actually harmful? Things one just THINKS is harmful? Because one may think drag queens are harmful, but think guns are okay (just to use and example), but another may think the exact opposite. I think that's what can be dangerous about something so simple in wording - it lacks nuance.

The problem I have with the logic you are presenting is that drag queens are literally playing on sexualized gender roles instead of "expressing themselves". There is a contradiction when someone says that gender is just a social construct and then turns around and advocates "gender reassignment surgery". I suppose, then, everyone is just a social construct.

This might be a too nuanced for some, but if gender doesn't matter, then why push for another gender? For a lot of us, 2 was already too much. Why expose a bigger mess to the kids?

One bungholio is too much.

 

[mikefor20]

grow some hair? i prefer to shave. And you can say cis is a slur all you want, but i personally feel that it isnt.

Feelings aren't facts. What are they teaching you? Words have meanings, it's not personal, it's a definition. Any words marginalizing, segregating entire groups of people in a derogatory way is a slur. And you're a hypocrite for labeling everyone.

Kid, youre opinion is not well-informed or well thought out. You have a developing brain and no information to feed it. Feelings don't matter when your discussing fact. I feel l Iike a millionaire, you owe me money to make it come true! I'll just change the meaning of work to everyone everywhere sending me $5 each once a week. You all have to do it or my feelings will be hurt! I'll kill myself! So what? Entitled brats.

 

[tabzer]

"Everyone's opinion matters" is a big joke, especially from mods who delete opinions. Power and control matter more to the people who rely on it to get ahead on the conversation.

The soapbox is literally "my opinion matters more".