Religion. The Last Debate

[Tanas]

The Christian belief is that no one made "god", rather he has always existed. If you attempt to argue that something has to start at some point they will simply say that god can do whatever he wants.

Exactly, and that just goes to show that god is just a made up fairy tale were reasoning goes out the window and anything goes.

 

[_Chaz_]

Religion is why I quit porn.

It doesn't look like it did a very good job, considering your other thread.

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[Frost>>&gt]

I honestly do not know if God exists, but if God did exist, then why are we here?(nihilism) What is our purpose

Think about it. imagine your God (The christian God). your all loving. there's nothing to love. you ARE love you can't even contain it. what are you going to do?

 

[Uncle FEFL]

I honestly do not know if God exists, but if God did exist, then why are we here?(nihilism) What is our purpose

Think about it. imagine your God (The christian God). your all loving. there's nothing to love. you ARE love you can't even contain it. what are you going to do?

So God, who needs nothing, needs people to love it? Uh.........what?

If God truly is all powerful, it wouldn't matter if God has something to love or not.

 

[Frost>>&gt]

I honestly do not know if God exists, but if God did exist, then why are we here?(nihilism) What is our purpose

Think about it. imagine your God (The christian God). your all loving. there's nothing to love. you ARE love you can't even contain it. what are you going to do?

So God, who needs nothing, needs people to love it? Uh.........what?

If God truly is all powerful, it wouldn't matter if God has something to love or not.

What gave you the idea if your all powerful you don't need anything?

 

[BobTheJoeBob]

@BobTheJoeBob, did my who made your god question frighten you because like a typical Christian you avoided answering the question.

You cant simply try and discredit the the big bang theory by asking a question like where did the exploding star come from that caused it , when you yourself like all other Christians cant or are unwilling to answer the question, where did your god come from, so I'll ask it again... Who made your god?

On the contrary, I believe very much in the big bang theory and I am not christian. Thought you would've realised that. And no, I didn't try to avoid your question. God had no beginning, and saying that that throws all reasoning out of the window is pretty ignorant considering nobody knows what the original "thing" was.

 

[Zetta_x]

In heaven, as I said before, you get what you want, when you want. You can have anything in heaven. So yeah, heaven is a perfect place.

Interesting. Lets assume this is correct. Lets also assume it is like a gathering of people who met a certain criteria for what would Heaven be alone? What if you wanted to create suffering for everyone in Heaven? If you can get when you want and what you want, this should be possible for if it is not then it is not heaven as you have mentioned (a perfect place). However, the suffering you are causing others should not be heaven for them and thus a contradiction.

Why does religion attempt to define what is good or bad?

 

[Sterling]

Shit... Well, I don't think I'll be an active poster here. My belief/opinion is: Yes there is a God. Now I'll proceed to take stage left. I won't even take a vote since I didn't even take a defensive stand for my side. Y'all have some fun here, because since I get so vehement on this particular subject, then I shouldn't be here. Cheerio.

Fuuuck... Now I wish to debate, even though I shouldn't. :/

 

[BobTheJoeBob]

In heaven, as I said before, you get what you want, when you want. You can have anything in heaven. So yeah, heaven is a perfect place.

Interesting. Lets assume this is correct. Lets also assume it is like a gathering of people who met a certain criteria for what would Heaven be alone? What if you wanted to create suffering for everyone in Heaven? If you can get when you want and what you want, this should be possible for if it is not then it is not heaven as you have mentioned (a perfect place). However, the suffering you are causing others should not be heaven for them and thus a contradiction.

Why does religion attempt to define what is good or bad?

Look, it doesn't say in the Qur'an exactly how heaven is like. There are probably some boundaries but anybody who's sick enough and gets pleasure from other peoples suffering is probably in hell.

 

[Magmorph]

A perfect place cannot exist because it is subjective. No two people have the same idea of perfect.

In heaven, as I said before, you get what you want, when you want. You can have anything in heaven. So yeah, heaven is a perfect place.

That's your idea of perfect. You are making the assumption that everyone has the same idea of perfect. I say that living forever and getting anything you want sounds good in theory but would be hell in reality. If you lived forever there would be no urgency or reason to accomplish anything. If you got everything you wanted there would be nothing to accomplish and no reason to live.

Also, where are you getting your idea of heaven from?

 

[_Chaz_]

A perfect place cannot exist because it is subjective. No two people have the same idea of perfect.

In heaven, as I said before, you get what you want, when you want. You can have anything in heaven. So yeah, heaven is a perfect place.

That's your idea of perfect. You are making the assumption that everyone has the same idea of perfect. I say that living forever and getting anything you want sounds good in theory but would be hell in reality. If you lived forever there would be no urgency or reason to accomplish anything. If you got everything you wanted there would be nothing to accomplish and no reason to live.

Also, where are you getting your idea of heaven from?

You're applying earthly problems to heaven. It doesn't work that way.

 

[BobTheJoeBob]

A perfect place cannot exist because it is subjective. No two people have the same idea of perfect.

In heaven, as I said before, you get what you want, when you want. You can have anything in heaven. So yeah, heaven is a perfect place.

That's your idea of perfect. You are making the assumption that everyone has the same idea of perfect. I say that living forever and getting anything you want sounds good in theory but would be hell in reality. If you lived forever there would be no urgency or reason to accomplish anything. If you got everything you wanted there would be nothing to accomplish and no reason to live.

Also, where are you getting your idea of heaven from?

The haddith. Also, you would have a feeling of being content and happy.

 

[Magmorph]

A perfect place cannot exist because it is subjective. No two people have the same idea of perfect.

In heaven, as I said before, you get what you want, when you want. You can have anything in heaven. So yeah, heaven is a perfect place.

That's your idea of perfect. You are making the assumption that everyone has the same idea of perfect. I say that living forever and getting anything you want sounds good in theory but would be hell in reality. If you lived forever there would be no urgency or reason to accomplish anything. If you got everything you wanted there would be nothing to accomplish and no reason to live.

Also, where are you getting your idea of heaven from?

You're applying earthly problems to heaven. It doesn't work that way.

Why doesn't it work that way?

 

[BobTheJoeBob]

A perfect place cannot exist because it is subjective. No two people have the same idea of perfect.

In heaven, as I said before, you get what you want, when you want. You can have anything in heaven. So yeah, heaven is a perfect place.

That's your idea of perfect. You are making the assumption that everyone has the same idea of perfect. I say that living forever and getting anything you want sounds good in theory but would be hell in reality. If you lived forever there would be no urgency or reason to accomplish anything. If you got everything you wanted there would be nothing to accomplish and no reason to live.

Also, where are you getting your idea of heaven from?

You're applying earthly problems to heaven. It doesn't work that way.

Why doesn't it work that way?

Because in heaven, you feel completely content and happy, as I have said.

 

[_Chaz_]

A perfect place cannot exist because it is subjective. No two people have the same idea of perfect.

In heaven, as I said before, you get what you want, when you want. You can have anything in heaven. So yeah, heaven is a perfect place.

That's your idea of perfect. You are making the assumption that everyone has the same idea of perfect. I say that living forever and getting anything you want sounds good in theory but would be hell in reality. If you lived forever there would be no urgency or reason to accomplish anything. If you got everything you wanted there would be nothing to accomplish and no reason to live.

Also, where are you getting your idea of heaven from?

You're applying earthly problems to heaven. It doesn't work that way.

Why doesn't it work that way?

It just doesn't. Since when does religion have to make sense?

 

[Magmorph]

Because in heaven, you feel completely content and happy, as I have said.

That doesn't sound like a perfect place to me. If the only emotion I could feel was happiness then life would be dull and meaningless.

 

[BobTheJoeBob]

Because in heaven, you feel completely content and happy, as I have said.

That doesn't sound like a perfect place to me. If the only emotion I could feel was happiness then life would be dull and meaningless.

OK, think of it as a permanent orgasm. Not the best way to describe it, but yeah.

 

[injected11]

This thread has done a fantastic job of showing me many of the reasons why no side is ever going to sway the other. When I try and step back from my viewpoint and just read, this thread becomes very revealing of just how large the rift is.

 

[Magmorph]

Because in heaven, you feel completely content and happy, as I have said.

That doesn't sound like a perfect place to me. If the only emotion I could feel was happiness then life would be dull and meaningless.

OK, think of it as a permanent orgasm. Not the best way to describe it, but yeah.

Accomplishing things and living through tough times gives life a purpose. Living in what you describe as heaven would not be ideal to me.

 

[Uncle FEFL]

What gave you the idea if your all powerful you don't need anything?

Think about what you just said for a moment.

God can do whatever it wants! God doesn't need a damn thing!