<b>First Half:</b>
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You can call it "misleading or play on words" but there are certain circumstances including the consent of the first wife.
Women population much higher than men(one reason),that is why Quran ALLOWS(but does not order) four marriages.
No, that's why it was allowed. There is nothing in the Qu'ran that says "This is the only time this is acceptable". Seeing as how the book claims to be "perfectly clear" then if it was only allowed in those circumstances it would state it. All it does is suggest against it and leave it wide open to interpretation<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
NOTE
olygamy was common in Arabia and other civilizations.Islam did not initiate polygamy but in fact restricted the number of wives a man could marry.
Women population was much higher than men when it was allowed.The verses which allowed polygamy were revealed after the Battle of Uhud in which many Muslims were killed,leaving widows and orphans for whom due care was incumbent upon the Muslim survivors.The Quran says,
"Marry women of your choice two or three or four;but if you fear that you shall not be
able to deal justly(with them),then only one or (a captive) that your right hands possess.
That will be more suitable to prevent you doing injustice."(4:3)
It is to be noted that polygamy is neither mandatory,nor encouraged but merely permitted.Permission to practice polygamy is not associated with mere satisfaction of passion.It is rather associated with compassion toward widows and orphans,<b>a matter that is confirmed by atmosphere in which the verse was revealed.</b>
Dealing justly with one's wives is an obligation.This applies to housing,food,clothing,kind treatment.....etc..,for which the husband is completely responsible.If one is not sure of being able to deal justly with them,the Quran says,
"Then (marry) only one."(4:3)
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Not the Prophet but Only Allah has the authority to change any rule in the Quran.Women population in the present century is also higher than men in some places..................Allah created every rule in the Quran for a purpose.....It might be possible that you may not be able to find any reason for it now but later u will be.
No, a prophet can change the rules as well as the prophet can state that "God told me to change it". No, the Abrahamic god didn't create every rule in the Qu'ran. Mohammed created every rule in the Qu'ran, he just claimed to be speaking for the Abrahamic god.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No a Prophet cannot change any rule according to his will.This is what you believe about Muhammad(S.A.W) but the Quran itself states,
"Nor does he say anything of his own desire.It is no less than an inspiration sent down to him."(Surah An-Najm)
Was Muhammad(S.A.W) a liar (NO):
<a href="http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/168/" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/168/" target="_blank">http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/168/</a></a>
Or
Was Muhammad(S.A.W) a Insane, a Poet, or a Sorcerer (NO):
<a href="http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/167/" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/167/" target="_blank">http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/167/</a></a>
Or refer to this:
<a href="http://www.thewaytotruth.org/theholyquran/wordofgod.html" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.thewaytotruth.org/theholyquran/wordofgod.html" target="_blank">http://www.thewaytotruth.org/theholyquran/wordofgod.html</a></a>
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Worldly needs and desires have crept in to their daily lives.Out of hundred only 5 or 4 Muslims can be true followers(I am talking about the present century).People have made sects for their own reliability and remember that every Muslim is not a Sunni or a Shia.Muslims are fighting with each other,hostilities,ignorance........If Muslims are not following Islam in true letters spirit then how can anyone judge Islam according to them.
And how can you be sure that you are following Islam in it's true spirit? To follow Islam in it's true spirit you must following what Mohammed and his companions taught. Are you following everything that they taught or are you superimposing your own morality code on top of Islam to come up with your own version?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
By following the Quran and the example of the Holy Prophet(S.A.W).I follow the Holy Prophet(S.A.W) in not every aspect because it's not possible to cover every aspect at the age of 16 but as far as my knowledge exceeds I always follow his example.No, never! i always stay on to the pure Islamic principals not any other teachings(ex: shia).
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes but there are some bodily and physical differences between them.For example:Women have big breasts but men don't.
Ok, but there aren't many women that would actually want to wander around in public with their tits hanging out. Men are allowed to bare their stomachs (Mohammed himself rode around topless), are women allowed to show their stomachs?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When and where did Muhammad(S.A.W) rode topless?Please quote any verse which says men are allowed to bare their stomachs.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Can you please explain the concept of Abrahamic God?
The Abrahamic god is the one you follow.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The One which I follow is Allah(the One and Only).
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->This is what you believe that Muhammad(S.A.W) had developed the Quran(By a person who could neither write nor read anything)
Was he also deaf and mute?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Of course not.
Prophet Muhammad was an illiterate man who had no formal education in any science, language, religious or secular.
Quran speaks about a variety of branches of science like: Astronomy, Embryology, Hydrology, Geology, Sociology, Psychology, Oceanography, Law etc. including lots of scientific statements that were validated only recently and were not known in the time of the prophet.
It was not known about prophet Muhammad any scholarly tendencies or achievements until the age of forty (when he received the first verses of Quran). So, how this illiterate man suddenly brings about a book like the Quran including an ideological and religious revolution that changed history?
Why prophet Muhammad (peace be on him), if he authored the Quran, honor the virgin Mary (May Allah be pleased with her), the mother of Jesus (peace be on him) as the best woman over all women on earth over all ages until day of judgment (an honor that even not offered by the bible) while not mentioning his own family members with a single word and even not mentioning any name of them.?
If he had authored the Quran, why he didn't claim this authorship of Quran and consequently gaining higher prestige among his followers who may consider him as a God.
Why he mentioned Quran verses that reprimand him (as that of chapter 33, verse 37 and chapter 80 verses 1-3) if he wrote Quran by himself?.
Source:http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_the_Quran_the_true_word_of_God
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you are asking about those verses asking believers to kill the infidels and so on then you should have a look that what happens when people just twist verses out of context and present them as a sign of violence in the Quran.
<a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...14001306AA3aptj" target="_blank"><a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...14001306AA3aptj" target="_blank">http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...14001306AA3aptj</a></a>
That's not what I'm referring to at all. What I asked was "What does the Qu'ran say about the treatment of slaves who aren't Muslim".<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There treatment is the same as treatment of Non-Muslims(who aren't slaves).
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Slapped for what....do you have the right to slap me???
No I don't have the right to slap, but it would be my moral duty to do it. I would slap you for placing the blame of a man attacking a woman on the man's wife. It would be the man's fault, nobody elses. A good man wouldn't attack a woman regardless of circumstances, and a moral person definitely wouldn't lay the blame on anyone but the attackers.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't understand what are you trying to say....please re-post it in a bit clearer version.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If a man is married to a women and he provides her everything of which she is in need of.He treats her with respect.kindness and love still then if the women refuses to comply with her husband...........what if the men refused to have sex with his wife.....how would you view it now.
I wouldn't care if a man gave his wife the Earth on a platter of gold and jewels, she still has the right to refuse sex. And what if the man refused to have sex with his wife? It would be his right just as it's the woman's right to say no.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sex is a basic instinct.............if both of those are married and don't have sex.....what would it result in?
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->As far as sex with slave girls is concerned here is what the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad say to those who by force have sex with their wives and slave girls:
Volume 1, Book 2, Number 29
Narrated Al-Ma'rur: At Ar-Rabadha I met Abu Dhar who was wearing a cloak, and his slave, too, was wearing a similar one. I asked about the reason for it. He replied, "I abused a person by calling his mother with bad names." The Prophet said to me, 'O Abu Dhar! Did you abuse him by calling his mother with bad names You still have some characteristics of ignorance. Your slaves are your brothers and Allah has put them under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help them.
None of that mentions anything to do with forced sex with a slave. It talks about how a Muslim should treat a slave who is Muslim. What it really should be saying is that the slave owner should be setting the slave free, anything else is immoral, unjust and inhumane.
Again, it doesn't mention anything about forced sex being wrong. It mentions a slave being set free as punishment for their master hitting them in the face. The Qu'ran already mentions that hitting a woman in the face isn't allowed so therefore the slave owner is being punished for breaking this rule, the punishment is the loss of a slave. Also ask yourself, why is the slave only being freed as punishment for the slaves master, why is the slave not being set free because it's wrong for a human to own another human?
Again this mentions nothing about forced sex with a slave.
And again, this mentions nothing about sex with slaves. In fact this verse isn't even referring to slaves at all. See the spoiler for an explanation from a tafsir :
So as you can see it had nothing at all to do with slaves or slavery.
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Something Important on Slavery:
<a href="http://www.islamsgreen.org/islams_green/20...ry_in_isla.html" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.islamsgreen.org/islams_green/20...ry_in_isla.html" target="_blank">http://www.islamsgreen.org/islams_green/20...ry_in_isla.html</a></a>
<a href="http://www.understanding-islam.com/discuss...ep-a-slave-girl" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.understanding-islam.com/discuss...ep-a-slave-girl" target="_blank">http://www.understanding-islam.com/discuss...ep-a-slave-girl</a></a>
Something more important about slavery - it's unjust, immoral and inhumane. A human is not a commodity to be sold, bought and owned.
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Slaves weren't like pets or video games as you have quoted them.Slaves weren't those who were treated like servants or tools which were to be used at any time.You really need to re-read the entire Islamic History or I guess your memory is weak.
Why do I need to re-read the entire Islamic history? What exactly am I missing here, please do explain.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
All the above Verses and Hadith are on the rights of Slaves.
Here is what Islam say to those who by force have sex with their wives (or slave girls is the same):
<a href="http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles/Women/rape_in_islam.asp" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles/Women/rape_in_islam.asp" target="_blank">http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles/Women/rape_in_islam.asp</a></a>
<a href="http://www.submission.org/women/[censored].html" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.submission.org/women/" target="_blank">http://www.submission.org/women/</a>[censored].html</a>
Slavery is unjust, immoral and inhumane according to it's general statement or meaning or that practiced by Non-Muslims but it's not the same taking in consideration the description laid by Islam.
You previously said that slaves were like video games and pets but this was not the way they were treated...............to find out this you need to re-read Islamic History.
And the point you previously raised about wife beating ...........there is no wife beating(according to many scholars it is but this man's point has weight):
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqOpkcQwgvE&feature=relmfu" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqOpkcQwgvE...;feature=relmfu" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqOpkcQwgvE...;feature=relmfu</a></a>
(Allah Knows Best)
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<b>Second Half:
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<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Some evidence that Mohammed wrote the Qu'ran :<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The very first verses that you quoted about questioning the Prophet(S.A.W) have again been twisted out of context.The Prophet(S.A.W) had always consulted his companions in all matters(such as battle of Trench and Uhud).He always took the views of other people into consideration.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Another verse telling people not to converse with Mohammed. This verse was also "miraculously" sent down at a time when Mohammed was beginning to become annoyed with people questioning him. The only reason he would not want people questioning him is if he had something to hide and was worried about being caught out<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is again a self opinion about Muhammad and the verse.Were u inside Muhammad(S.A.W) or could read his heart and feelings to tell that he was annoyed.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Surely anyone who was speaking for God would have no problems answering all the questions that humanity could throw at him.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You just quoted verses and gave your view or interpretation of the verse.You didn't even quote one question that was left unanswered.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's also another rule specifically for Mohammed which declares that no-one may marry his wives after he dies. Was he worried that information might slip pointing towards the fact that he was making it all up as he went along?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is again a twist of words.Quran clearly states that they were the Mothers of the Faithful.All his wives were a complete guidance for women to follow.They were the women of great knowledge and dignity.Even the Prophet's companions consulted them and learned from them.
If Muhammad(S.A.W)'s wives knew his secrets then why would they remain Muslims.They would have told everyone after his death that he wasn't a true Messenger.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Mohammed gets the greater share of war booty. And why would God (a being supposedly beyond our comprehension, free from the trappings of Earthly desires and a being who could create anything he wants) need war booty? In otherwords, the war booty is for Mohammed but it sounds better if it's for God.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's not that Allah needs booty.It means to spend the booty in His way(ex:helping poor,widows and orphans).
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Qu'ran 33:30 - "O wives of the Prophet, whoever of you should commit a clear immorality - for her the punishment would be doubled two fold, and ever is that, for Allah , easy." - Mohammeds wives get double punishment for misbehaving.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
For not misbehaving but committing a sin because they were the Mothers of the Faithful.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Qu'ran 16:101 - "And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "You, [O Muhammad], are but an inventor [of lies]." But most of them do not know." - Mohammed gets caught out making it all up so God sends down a verse to back him up. This goes hand in hand with the abrogation verse.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he gets caught up,then the people there were fool enough to again believe in him after this verse.....Can you please quote the verse about which the Quran is talking about.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Qu'ran 18:86 - "Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."" - The sun does not set in a spring of dark mud nor does it appear like it sets in a spring of dark mud.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-dad389i4c[/youtube]
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Qu'ran 21:33 - "And it is He who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon; all [heavenly bodies] in an orbit are swimming." - The Sun does not swim along in an orbit. However this does hold up with the average thought back then that the Earth was the centre of the universe and that the Sun and the Moon orbited us rather than us orbiting the Sun.
Qu'ran 36:38 - "And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing." - The Sun is stationary and does not go towards a stopping place.
Qu'ran 36:40 - "It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming." - Evidence that in the above verses it's talking about the Sun orbiting the Earth, and that Mohammed believed that the Sun and the Moon followed the same orbital trajectory.
Qu'ran 23:14 - "Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allah , the best of creators." - This is not how an embryo is formed at all. At no point are we a "clinging clot". Also flesh does not come after bone during the formation of a foetus, it happens all at the same time.
Qu'ran 86:6-7 - "He was created from a fluid, ejected, Emerging from between the backbone and the ribs." - That's not where sperm comes from, it is however where ancient Greek scientists and philosophers thought it came from.
Qu'ran 67:5 - "And We have certainly beautified the nearest heaven with stars and have made [from] them what is thrown at the devils and have prepared for them the punishment of the Blaze." - In reality there's no such thing as "shooting stars", stars are stationary.
Qu'ran 67:19 - "Do they not see the birds above them with wings outspread and [sometimes] folded in? None holds them [aloft] except the Most Merciful. Indeed He is, of all things, Seeing." - There is a scientific reason why birds can fly. It's not God holding them aloft. <a href="http://downloads.cas.psu.edu/4h/AerospaceS.../FlyLesson3.htm" target="_blank"><a href="http://downloads.cas.psu.edu/4h/AerospaceS.../FlyLesson3.htm" target="_blank">http://downloads.cas.psu.edu/4h/AerospaceS.../FlyLesson3.htm</a></a>
Qu'ran 2:222 - "They will ask you about menstruation. Say, 'It is harmful, so keep away from women during it. Do not approach them until they are purified of it, when they are purified you may approach them as Allah has ordained." - Menstruation is not harmful, it's perfectly normal and natural. There is a scientific reason for it.
There's more stuff in the Qu'ran itself that I could go on about if you like?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
An explained note on Human Embryology in Quran:
<a href="http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm</a></a>
All the other so-called scientific errors in The Quran(an explanation of the verses about creation of the Universe and so on):
<a href="http://www.creationofuniverse.com/index.html" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.creationofuniverse.com/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.creationofuniverse.com/index.html</a></a>
<a href="http://www.islam-guide.com/" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.islam-guide.com/" target="_blank">http://www.islam-guide.com/</a></a>
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It gets many things wrong about Christianity. Christians don't worship Jesus and Mary in place of or along with God, and not all Christians follow the teaching of the Trinity. It also declares that Jesus can not be the son of God because God can not have children, yet it also states that God is capable of all things.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Of course He is capable of all things but it has not been mentioned that which capabilities He uses.
(Allah Knows Best)
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The Qu'ran claims the Earth was created for us and that the animal kingdom and humans were created at the same time. So what about the dinosaurs?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quran has not directly mentioned about dinosaurs but it does give a hint:
<a href="http://www.answering-christianity.com/dinosaurs.htm" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.answering-christianity.com/dinosaurs.htm" target="_blank">http://www.answering-christianity.com/dinosaurs.htm</a></a>
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The Qu'ran claims that God is compassionate, yet he allows one human the right to own another human.
The Qu'ran claims that God knows everything you'll do from the moment of birth to the moment of death, yet at the same time claims that life is a test. If God knows the answer already why does he need to test us?
The Qu'ran claims that God is compassionate. However God also makes people unbelievers and sends them to hell. If he's compassionate and he knows that disbelief will send you to hell for an eternity of torture why is making people disbelievers?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
There is no doubt that He is Compassionate.You mentioned about owning another Human being but you did not mention that slave's position in the Society.
God knows what you will do(for example there are some intelligent students against some weak or dumb students the Teacher would obviously know that which student will be able to pass the Test)
He also sent plenty of Messengers for those unbelievers to repent but they did not so He has to be just in treatment with those who believe in Him and those who don't.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The Qu'ran talks about boiling water to use as a means of torture but makes no mention whatsoever of how useful it is to boil water for hygienes sake.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Boiling water is used to describe Hell in the Quran even if it does not mention it there are plenty of other things that it has mentioned:
<a href="http://www.inter-islam.org/Actions/manners.htm" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.inter-islam.org/Actions/manners.htm" target="_blank">http://www.inter-islam.org/Actions/manners.htm</a></a>
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The Qu'ran claims that stars adorn the lowest heaven and that the Moon is in their midst. There is only one star in our solar system. However to the naked eye it does appear the way Mohammed described it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Does the verse say that the stars were in our solar system and does it mention about the moon being along or leveled with them.......The stars could be above the moon.
I will search on this and try to give you a better explanation.
(Allah Knows Best)
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Mohammed forced Zayd to divorce his wife and then married her himself claiming it to be "Gods will". Another example of Mohammed being greedy and lustful.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sorry but i have no idea of this and never heard of it(please post the source to it).
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Mohammed married a 6 yr old girl and consummated the relationship when she was 9. Yes this was acceptable at the time, but if he truly was an example for "all mankind for all time" then it's something he should not have done. And surely an all knowing God would have known this isn't acceptable behaviour.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Muhammad(S.A.W) had not married the girl on his own but his friend Abu Bakr wanted him to marry his daughter Aisha.He used to play with Aisha until she had reached puberty and attained maturity.This does set an example for future Muslims but not to marry small children but to marry anyone seeing his virtue and the degree of piety.
It all depends upon a person that how he perceives a thing either negatively or positively.
A very good site that proves that Muhammad(S.A.W) is not the creator of Islam.
A very well description of all miracles of Islam and Quran:
<a href="http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/index.php" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/index.php</a></a>