Oklahoma Republican proposes that any provider who provides gender affirming care to 26 year olds or younger is a felony

[The Catboy]

That was 1 clinic

Yeah, it was and thus can’t represent a wider demographic. Making claims with such a small sample size would simply would be and should be thrown out. And again, the study doesn’t even confirm the claim as it’s a study about better aftercare. Any surgery with poor aftercare is going to result in health complications, this isn’t a trans exclusive issue.

There is another news source i can pull if you all want

The news source isn’t necessarily the issue. It’s making claims about the wide groups with far too small of a sample size and not even about the claims it’s trying to back up. The claim is 55% experience health complications but the actual study only look 80 people and concluded in the need for better aftercare. Simply put, it’s just misleading and doesn’t properly represent or reflect anything legitimate.

 

[Xerokard]

Yeah, it was and thus can’t represent a wider demographic. Making claims with such a small sample size would simply would be and should be thrown out. And again, the study doesn’t even confirm the claim as it’s a study about better aftercare. Any surgery with poor aftercare is going to result in health complications, this isn’t a trans exclusive issue.

The news source isn’t necessarily the issue. It’s making claims about the wide groups with far too small of a sample size and not even about the claims it’s trying to back up. The claim is 55% experience health complications but the actual study only look 80 people and concluded in the need for better aftercare. Simply put, it’s just misleading and doesn’t properly represent or reflect anything legitimate.

So you're calling all of those stunning and brave individuals who proclaimed those claims about their man made vaginas liars? Have you no shame? Tsk tsk. You must be one of the lucky ones.

 

[The Catboy]

So you're calling all of those stunning and brave individuals who proclaimed those claims about their man made vaginas liars? Have you no shame? Tsk tsk. You must be one of the lucky ones.

No, I am pointing out the flaws in what you posted. If someone sampled 80 people from New York and claimed they represented 55% of the state, people would rightfully call that bullshit. People would call it greater bullshit if someone else took those results and made entirely different claims based on those results. I am sorry you fail to understand how to take apart suspicious studies or detect fake news but that’s what’s happening here. It’s a suspicious study being reported upon by a fake news site. Sucks to suck.

 

[TraderPatTX]

Thanks, this is what I was asked for. Why does it have to be this hard every time?
The study is complete shit. 80 people is far too small a sample size to make such widely sweeping claims. Equally, the study concludes the need for better aftercare to prevent further health complications. So as per the normal with the daily mail, they took an already dubious study and misrepresented it. Nice try, but complete nonsense. Got any sources beyond just one study that actually proves the need for better aftercare?

This is why it's hard. We know you are gonna disregard it. I went thru the same crap disproving Covid lies. But we're forced to just take your word on every study and statistic you mention because you are not biased at all. Give me a break.

 

[Xerokard]

No, I am pointing out the flaws in what you posted. If someone sampled 80 people from New York and claimed they represented 55% of the state, people would rightfully call that bullshit. People would call it greater bullshit if someone else took those results and made entirely different claims based on those results. I am sorry you fail to understand how to take apart suspicious studies or detect fake news but that’s what’s happening here. It’s a suspicious study being reported upon by a fake news site. Sucks to suck.

Aww, I'm sorry, precious. Tell ya what. If you could go ahead and compile a complete list of every acceptable news source that you deem worthy of gathering information from that might possibly convince you to change your mind from what's been programmed into your soft lil noggin, that'd be a great help, mmkay? Go on, I'll wait.

 

[The Catboy]

Aww, I'm sorry, precious. Tell ya what. If you could go ahead and compile a complete list of every acceptable news source that you deem worthy of gathering information from that might possibly convince you to change your mind from what's been programmed into your soft lil noggin, that'd be a great help, mmkay? Go on, I'll wait.

I see, you aren’t actually willing to engage in a civil conversation and just like the dailymail, you are willing contort studies. I will consider this conversation with you over. Please enjoy the rest of your day.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

Aww, I'm sorry, precious. Tell ya what.

So just like before, you're not willing to put in a little effort.

Why would someone put in effort with someone who is clearly stupid. No seriously.
You demonstrated you don't understand why sample size is important in science. You ignored it, created a entirely different argument that does not respond to it. Thus your not entitled to us wasting our breath with you.

 

[Xerokard]

Why would someone put in effort with someone who is clearly stupid. No seriously.
You demonstrated you don't understand why sample size is important in science. You ignored it, created a entirely different argument that does not respond to it. Thus your not entitled to us wasting our breath with you.

And yet, here you are...

 

[Foxi4]

im not saying it should be and i think thats the problem with politics in general. lawmakers need to just decide and make it either a yes or no, either all of it is a felony or none of it is a felony. the qualifiers cause it to be controversial because you can apply opinion.

my opinion is you should get whatever health care you may need and that should never be a felony

I don’t think your argument is solid. It’s legal to kill someone in a self-defense situation, but it’s patently illegal to commit first-degree murder, even though in both cases the end result is the same - you being alive and the other person being dead. The details matter, life isn’t black and white, and trying to make it black and white neglects to account for the shades of grey in-between.

 

[Xerokard]

I don’t think your argument is solid. It’s legal to kill someone in a self-defense situation, but it’s patently illegal to commit first-degree murder, even though in both cases the end result is the same - you being alive and the other person being dead. The details matter, life isn’t black and white, and trying to make it black and white neglects to account for the shades of grey in-between.

Not in Canadia. They call it death care. Not even joking.

 

[Foxi4]

Not in Canadia. They call it death care. Not even joking.

I’m well-aware of MAIDs. It’s very troubling that medical professionals are encouraged to endorse medically assisted suicide when it’s patently not necessary, but it’s not murder - the patient does have the final word.

 

[Xzi]

The problem we run into time and again is that conservatives are not interested in subtle takes or opinions on this topic. The only thing they want to debate when it comes to trans individuals is their fundamental right to exist and be treated with at least a modicum of basic human dignity/decency. These things are simply NOT up for debate, and it infuriates me to no end when they try, even as a straight cis man. I can only imagine how much more it pisses off the trans community, and that anger is totally justified, even as a reflexive preemptive response.

Normalize sending these fuckers back to their swamps from the get-go. They should not be given a platform to spread hate.

 

[Xerokard]

The problem we run into time and again is that conservatives are not interested in subtle takes or opinions on this topic. The only thing they want to debate when it comes to trans individuals is their fundamental right to exist and be treated with at least a modicum of basic human dignity/decency. These things are simply NOT up for debate, and it infuriates me to no end when they try, even as a straight cis man. I can only imagine how much more it pisses off the trans community, and that anger is totally justified, even as a reflexive preemptive response.

Normalize sending these fuckers back to their swamps from the get-go. They should not be given a platform to spread hate.

Maybe they'd get more respect if they stopped bastardizing Scooby-Doo. (Yeah I know it's apples and oranges, but in the end, it's a bunch of fruits under the same umbrella.) Go on, defend Velma. I dare you.

 

[Xzi]

Maybe they'd get more respect if they stopped bastardizing Scooby-Doo. (Yeah I know it's apples and oranges, but in the end, it's a bunch of fruits under the same umbrella.) Go on, defend Velma. I dare you.

I don't think you'll find anybody willing to defend that trash, as it's a right-wing person's idea of what a "woke" show is supposed to be. Yes, Mindy Kaling is a conservative, in case you were unaware. I'm convinced the only reason it was given the green light in the first place was because WB needed an excuse to purge all animated shows from HBO Max, adult-oriented or otherwise.

 

[LainaGabranth]

Are will still pretending there's more than 2 sexes?

Only if it keeps upsetting you, baby.

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I don't think you'll find anybody willing to defend that trash, as it's a right-wing person's idea of what a "woke" show is supposed to be. Yes, Mindy Kaling is a conservative, in case you were unaware. I'm convinced the only reason it was given the green light in the first place was because WB needed an excuse to purge all animated shows from HBO Max, adult-oriented or otherwise.

God I knew I wasn't the fucking only one who got weird performative vibes from that fucking show.

 

[Xerokard]

I don't think you'll find anybody willing to defend that trash, as it's a right-wing person's idea of what a "woke" show is supposed to be. Yes, Mindy Kaling is a conservative, in case you were unaware. I'm convinced the only reason it was given the green light in the first place was because WB needed an excuse to purge all animated shows from HBO Max, adult-oriented or otherwise.

That's an interesting take, and I've heard it before. What I'm trying to get at, is our culture and very way of life, is being stripped away from us, bit by bit. From our childhood heroes to our children's minds and futures, certain people are spreading their woke ideology like a cancer. Every super hero they turn into a disabled trans pangender toaster fucker, and every impressionable young mind they convince to take hormones and lop off their genitals, thus ending their genetic line, they view as a victory, and people are sick of it.

Just imagine if tomorrow we all wake up and decide not to engage. All the straights go about raising families and instilling positive values, and the rest could keep doing whatever they do with each other, but not push it onto normal people. We could all live happier lives. But the rainbow mafia won't allow for it because they're petty. They hate America and can't create an original character that people like. If they hate it so much, why are they still here?

 

[Doran754]

"We merely want to exist" this is the argument. This is how it always starts. It was the same with LGB.

"We just want to get married, we just want the same rights" soon ballooned into we want preferential treatment.
It slowly spreads like a virus. The propaganda from the left to indoctrinate young children at an early age into believing Trans people are some victims never ceases to amaze me. It starts out in the schools, then the pride flags, then the badges, then the pins, then they come for your speech, then It's in the media, slowly eradicating what it means to be normal, all in the name of trans rights.
You're no longer a man, you're a "cis" man. They try to put a qualifier where it isn't needed, you don't need to use the scientific term for what a man or woman is when 99.99% of all humans are this. I doubt these people use the scientific term for a pig which is 'sus' when they're buying bacon.
"Yes, I'll have some slices of sus please" You sound fucking stupid.


People that use the term cis are openly trying to offend you. If you tell them It's offensive they don't care, they'll carry on using it, but if you don't call brian by she/her you better believe you're going to hear about it. These are the same people who will call you a bigot or a fascist and completely ignore communities like the Latinos who overwhelmingly hate the term Latinx, yet they will use it because they believe they have the moral high ground. They will systematically try and erase women and women's spaces and if you oppose this they'll again call you a bigot, suggest you're attracted to "women" with penises, and that's why you're speaking out about it.

Any sort of critique against the systematic tyrannical progression of trans and trans allies will be shut down instantly. It's no longer women who menstruate, it's people who menstruate, It's no longer women with periods, It's people with periods. It's no longer breast-feeding, It's chest-feeding. It's tiresome, the denial of basic biology is regressing mankind backward exponentially.

"Why do you hate being inclusive"

Why do you hate women? Only women can menstruate, don't need to be inclusive.

"I just want to use the bathroom in peace"

And that mother just wants 36year old brian with a penis to use another bathroom when her teenage daughter is in there.

The absolute state of the US education system would suggest to me you should have better things to be teaching instead of the importance of pronouns.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

This is how it always starts. It was the same with LGB.

Great, your argument is invalidated from the start.
Lesbian, Gay, and Bi people have the right to exist and be themselves, and they were repressed in society. And clearly you think they should still be repressed with "this is how it always starts"
Being "I want these people to not exist even though they are not hurting me, or anyone, but because I hate them"
Is not a valid argument.

 

[Doran754]

Great, your argument is invalidated from the start.
Lesbian, Gay, and Bi people have the right to exist and be themselves, and they were repressed in society. And clearly you think they should still be repressed with "this is how it always starts"
Being "I want these people to not exist even though they are not hurting me, or anyone"
Is not a valid argument.

Never once said I don't think or want them to exist. Infact I'm a massive fan of the group "gaysagainstgroomers" who are trying to keep this crap out of schools. Thanks for playing.

 

[Wolfy]

The problem we run into time and again is that conservatives are not interested in subtle takes or opinions on this topic. The only thing they want to debate when it comes to trans individuals is their fundamental right to exist and be treated with at least a modicum of basic human dignity/decency. These things are simply NOT up for debate, and it infuriates me to no end when they try, even as a straight cis man. I can only imagine how much more it pisses off the trans community, and that anger is totally justified, even as a reflexive preemptive response.

Normalize sending these fuckers back to their swamps from the get-go. They should not be given a platform to spread hate.

The only thing I see when people when people call out "democrats, republicans, conservatives, liberals, and etc...", is that it's people completely against another "group" when that "group" is like usual, a few persons with a loud voice and the rest just for having a different opinion from you or I. Take away those who scream the loudest, don't listen to reason and just fire back insults, and see what your left with. To be throwing hate at the entirety of "the other side of the room" and just thinking they're all the same for being over there, no matter how far is pretty rich to see. Not saying any one is right on either side, but its all I see and kinda kills me since people are basically ready to go to war with people that will fight for one side, BUT have no problem with you or you for having ideas different than them.