What do you think is more harmful to the world? Racists, or religious fanatics?

[tabzer]

Well ya got me on a technicality there, I should've at least narrowed the conversation down to the modern, urban/suburban concept of religion. Since I didn't, I concede that point.

I thought I was pretty clear from the beginning that I was applying the whole scope of religion and not just your hang-ups.

In all of these examples I accept 'spirituality' as synonymous with 'faith,' but not religion. Religion is both rigid and brittle in structure, which is why it splintered so early and often throughout history.

You'd be wrong, because you are restricting the use of the word "religion" to be less than what it means.

 

[Xzi]

I thought I was pretty clear from the beginning that I was applying the whole scope of religion and not just your hang-ups.

Don't make me regret my concession, I could still make the argument that tribes and indigenous peoples do in fact practice a form of unique spirituality rather than religion. Felt like throwing you a bone for once, though.

You'd be wrong, because you are restricting the use of the word "religion" to be less than what it means.

Or you're making it out to be far greater than the sum of its parts, despite the fact that only a few of those parts might actually be worth preserving as we march toward the future. All too often religion simply boils down to the favored tool of grifters and cult leaders everywhere.

 

[tabzer]

Don't make me regret my concession, I could still make the argument that tribes and indigenous peoples do in fact practice a form of unique spirituality rather than religion. Felt like throwing you a bone for once, though.

It wouldn't be "rather than" when you are specifically referencing spirituality as "a form". That's where spirituality and religion begin to overlap. It's not as if "religion" willed itself into existence and started being a menace.

Or you're making it out to be far greater than the sum of its parts

Nope. You are just a bigot.

All too often religion simply boils down to the favored tool of grifters and cult leaders everywhere.

If you are going to talk about the religions that have been aggressively marketed to you and ignore all the ones that haven't been; then sure--it can look like that.

 

[shrekexists]

Racism is more harmful because people should be thinking of physical differences between people as genes and environment. People mistake religion as harmful when the negative religious groups could do the same with even something like a mountain biking club they just chose that path for their group.

 

[supermist]

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/26/1196195934/jacksonville-florida-dollar-store-shooting

There's no way DeSantis's rhetoric and actions didn't influence this.

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Why is that funny?

 

[plasturion]

Who? liberals. They live in illusion of false independence, compromising one's own and others' freedom.
Racists or other religion extremists sure are a victims of manipulations, but they are often used to cover
doings of liberals. Liberalism is kind of self kidnaping disease. The one of face of the efective democracy.
Many things doesn't work when they become too much relative.

 

[Xzi]

Racists or other religion extremists sure are a victims of manipulations, but they are often used to cover
doings of liberals.

So Donald Trump is a liberal now? Because he's the one pushing Christians to abandon Jesus' teachings in droves.

 

[shrekexists]

Who? liberals. They live in illusion of false independence, compromising one's own and others' freedom.
Racists or other religion extremists sure are a victims of manipulations, but they are often used to cover
doings of liberals. Liberalism is kind of self kidnaping disease. The one of face of the efective democracy.
Many things doesn't work when they become too much relative.

This is global so anyone who is oppressed worldwide is at risk. Trojans like this enables were used for rounding people up for reeducation in china and killing journalists before and that's what is just known. It's really as bad as any bad actor can use a simple program to fully take over someones device to have their real time location, data, and live stream camera and mic because it keeps security artificially behind. The Saudi Washington post journalist killed was hunted with a Trojan across international borders and brutally murdered because he had a phone with a unpatched security flaw.

 

[plasturion]

Nowadays it's hard to say who's not, sadly saying.

 

[Xzi]

Nowadays it's hard to say who's not, sadly saying.

I mean neocons and neolibs share a very similar mentality for sure, but conservatives have been deifying shitty presidents since Reagan. Conservatives have always had a tough time thinking for themselves, which is why they want a dictator to tell them how to live their lives rather than a president to expand their freedoms.

 

[shrekexists]

I mean neocons and neolibs share a very similar mentality for sure, but conservatives have been deifying shitty presidents since Reagan. Conservatives have always had a tough time thinking for themselves, which is why they want a dictator to tell them how to live their lives rather than a president to expand their freedoms.

Actual conservatives would not allow Trojans like Pegasus to exist because they would likely kill Jesus on the second coming. There's no reason for something to exist if it's not of God is the most conservative someone can be. If you use a bible app on android it warns you using the app can get you killed depending on where you live so obviously computers are evil unless they're secure to the point governments can't get into them. Atheists can laugh but Pegasus literally is daemonic software. I don't need to use falsehood to defend myself like the UK government and its policies. Everything that usually bothers people about computers usually happens in the background so it's daemonic but I understand it doesn't mean the same as a literal demon even though the people who came up with the term liked to draw a lot of demons. FreeBSD the ps5 and switch use code from has a christian demon inspired logo and the earlier BSD had a demon called beastie as the mascot. I just view it as strange BSD type stuff usually ends up in closed source software that's known to be backdoored or highly anti-user while people don't usually actually use BSD for any other purpose. There's major security flaws in every BSD that doesn't exist in Linux usually CPU flaws aren't fully fixed. I do still like openssh and view code itself as neutral but a lot of VPS are backdoored with how they setup openssh.

 

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What do you think is more harmful to the world? Racists, or religious fanatics?​

Neither.

 

[Xzi]

What do you think is more harmful to the world? Racists, or religious fanatics?​

Neither.

Says the racist religious fanatic.

 

[shrekexists]

So Donald Trump is a liberal now? Because he's the one pushing Christians to abandon Jesus' teachings in droves.

Trump can't be a Christian because he chose money over God. Christianity is essentially illegal worldwide because the world is mostly ran by evil people. It's clearly against Jesus to judge people in court or store up wealth. It's very evident that an attempt will be made on any messiahs life using computers because that's the way the world is now. I rather be remembered as at least speaking out against it but it's clear the world is on fire.

 

[Xzi]

Trump can't be a Christian because he chose money over God. Christianity is essentially illegal worldwide because the world is mostly ran by evil people. It's clearly against Jesus to judge people in court or store up wealth.

Has nothing to do with the world's laws, Evangelicals and Southern Baptists are consciously and actively choosing to abandon Jesus in favor of the Old Testament god because they prefer operating on the "eye for an eye" principle.

 

[shrekexists]

Has nothing to do with the world's laws, Evangelicals and Southern Baptists are consciously and actively choosing to abandon Jesus in favor of the Old Testament god because they prefer operating on the "eye for an eye" principle.

It does in democracies that are mostly Christian because it means they don't want the teachings of Jesus above all else when they vote. A real christian would fire a politician they voted in who went against God without showing remorse.

Do you Mr/Mrs politician love God with all your heart above all else and then and only then love your neighbor as yourself? No is a sentence of hell. It's almost as if they literally lead people astray. It's pretty sad someone thousands of years ago tried to make the world a better place and everyone since then just gets killed when they say his truth and try to implement it.

I don't believe there are any politicians leading any countries today who would die on a cross if they needed to for God. As soon as they are informed their judgement is invalid they will just get upset and persecute you.

 

[Xzi]

It does in democracies that are mostly Christian because it means they don't want the teachings of Jesus above all else when they vote. A real christian would fire a politician they voted in who went against God without showing remorse.

Do you Mr/Mrs politician love God with all your heart above all else and then and only then love your neighbor as yourself? No is a sentence of hell.

You're correct that the vast majority of American Christians are fakers who have never even read the bible, but that means there aren't enough devout Christians to stop them from co-opting the religion/faith any more. Sad state of affairs when they're worshiping an orange cow instead of Jesus.

 

[shrekexists]

You're correct that the vast majority of American Christians are fakers who have never even read the bible, but that means there aren't enough devout Christians to stop them from co-opting the religion/faith any more. Sad state of affairs when they're worshiping an orange cow instead of Jesus.

There's a lot of worship of things and people like government, corporations, certain actors, etc who end up replacing where God should be for a lot of people. It's really illogical to worship anyone or anything except God. Idol worship is very primitive. I would go out on a limb and say all the increasing climate disasters striking the united states and most of the world are due to the lack of Godliness just like how computer malware exists for the same reason. Exhaust and computers must be perfect to show love of neighbor since storms and malware cause destruction.

 

[Xzi]

I would go out on a limb and say all the increasing climate disasters striking the united states and most of the world are due to the lack of Godliness just like how computer malware exists for the same reason.

Nah that's all on humanity, can't blame god for our carbon emissions and malicious use of technologies we've created. There were reports on climate change in newspapers dating all the way back to 1908.

 

[lolcatzuru]

I mean neocons and neolibs share a very similar mentality for sure, but conservatives have been deifying shitty presidents since Reagan. Conservatives have always had a tough time thinking for themselves, which is why they want a dictator to tell them how to live their lives rather than a president to expand their freedoms.

why do you say things you know, with 100% fact, is entirely untrue.