UK to start Brexit process before March 2017.

[Deleted member 473940]

Would the EU take them? Other issue is that Scotland has had their referendum to leave the U.K but they voted stay.

The referendum took place while UK was part of EU.
That may sway a lot of people's decision.

But then again, you never know man.
It seemed like "leave" wouldn't happen and it did.

 

[KingpinSlim]

Would the EU take them? Other issue is that Scotland has had their referendum to leave the U.K but they voted stay.

That was before brexit.
I imagine they might want to reconsider their decision soon.
But... oh well. We shall see.
I would greet them with open arms, that much is certain.

EDIT: Wouldn't it be kinda silly to call England the UK if Scottland and Ireland left?
I mean... There would be nothing truly United about it anymore and we can HARDLY just call it "Kingdom".

 

[Deleted-355425]

Scotland have been told there is no 2nd referendum. When you vote and make a decision you should think about all possible outcomes prior.

 

[KingpinSlim]

Scotland have been told there is no 2nd referendum. When you vote and make a decision you should think about all possible outcomes prior.

Yes and the Scottish have been KNOWN to accept decisions made about their existence by some british people calmly and with good spirits.

No... no wait.

I can't put my finger on it, but something sounds kinda off here.

And the irish? Don't get me started on those UK-loving folks. They love NOTHING more than brits deciding their fates. The biggest UK-Fans in the world.

I really do not want to be british right now.

 

[Deleted-355425]

From what I have read the Irish and Scottish are quite happy with how it's turning out.

 

[KingpinSlim]

From what I have read the Irish and Scottish are quite happy with how it's turning out.

I don't know. People only remain happy and peaceful if their basic needs are met. If that is no longer the case they suddenly can't ever remember saying anything about being "content" and then things turn ugly very quickly.

My life will not change one bit wether the UK goes or stays, all i know is that a monumental decision was made by people that were not as well informed as they should be by an opposition that now is no longer sure of their own claims.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/133da9c0-f7f7-11e5-803c-d27c7117d132.html?siteedition=intl

I like the UK and i admire no man in history more than i admire Winston Churchill.
The man who led a nation into a war that eventually freed germany from tyranny.


He is my greatest hero. I hope the UK has not voted on it's ultimate downfall.
Liberators do not deserve such a fate.

 

[Aurora Wright]

Your post lost all credit lucifer when you brought the race card into it and as you put it 'brown people'. We are stopping all colour of people coming in and leeching from our country. We are getting our country back and you are just going to have to live with it.

I'm having an hard time understanding which rule of logic dictates that an argument is invalid as soon as it refers to racism?
Also, where's your evidence that non-British people "leech" from the economy more than British people?

 

[Deleted-355425]

I'm having an hard time understanding which rule of logic dictates that an argument is invalid as soon as it refers to racism?
Also, where's your evidence that non-British people "leech" from the economy more than British people?

It's called the race card that is throw in your face when ever you want to talk about leaving the EU.

Edit: where does the benifit money go when it's paid to the immigrants? I'm guessing it's out of the UK it's not just about who leeches more but where it goes.

 

[Pleng]

I do believe that depending how well we do after brexit it will make way for other EU country's making a departure though.

I don't know why I'm bothering, as you don't respond to any sensible argument presented to you, other than the occasional "yah boo, sucks to you" comment, but the reverse is equally true; if Brexit ruins the country, it will make the EU far more powerful than it ever was, knowing that no country can leave without ruining itself in the process. And *if* that's the case, then you and all the other 'out' voters will have yourselves to thank for empowering the very organisation you apparently despised.

 

[Ikki Barri]

I'd just like to point out that though an initial decision has been made, the actual nitty-gritty is still all up for grabs. One potential outcome is that in order to stay in the Common Market, we have to accept open borders, we will pay as much as we are paying now and we will have less say than we had before. The referendum is a one battle win, not an absolute victory.

 

[Deleted-355425]

I'd just like to point out that though an initial decision has been made, the actual nitty-gritty is still all up for grabs. One potential outcome is that in order to stay in the Common Market, we have to accept open borders, we will pay as much as we are paying now and we will have less say than we had before. The referendum is a one battle win, not an absolute victory.

Our PM won't allow that, no chance.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

As a proud pro-Remain supporter, it was quite horrible to hear that the majority had opted to Leave. At time time I was staying in a 2nd-rate hotel in Whitehall, for a conference which had attracted developers from all around Europe, and I remember waking up early to watch the commentary live- My initial shock caused me to double-take that the BBC had got the colours of the two sides right.
Everybody at the conference later expressed the same disbelief.

However the sheer backlash from the supposedly welcoming Europe that I have lived my entire life as a part and had not wanted to leave, has been quite eye-opening and comments like this are completely disgusting. Instead of trying to make the most of this, you're more focused on trying to make us feel bad about a decision that ultimately speaks more to the leadership of the UK and the public's stance towards the EU, which is utterly unproductive.

Also I feel that it is quite telling that analysts had been talking about a French exit, about an Austrian exit, about an Italian exit and a Spanish exit, before we actually voted. I'm curious to see what might happen to Germany's current stance should they become the only economic powerhouse in the EU.

 

[Ikki Barri]

Our PM won't allow that, no chance.

She may well be pressured otherwise. It's not the people who will be making those decisions, it's those at the top with the money and the power.

 

[Kingy]

Our PM won't allow that, no chance.

As much as I want to agree, I have to say no.
You see, our PM was a remainder, she doesn't want Brexit to happen. But in our case, we are lucky she is even talking about triggering article 50.

But ayy, at least we have freedom.

PS: There still may be a chance though, I really do want a closed and safe country.

 

[Viri]

If Scotland gained their independence, wouldn't Spain cock block them from joining?

Also, hah, I never knew this would be relevant to post again!
http://webmshare.com/qAjq9

 

[Aurora Wright]

It's called the race card that is throw in your face when ever you want to talk about leaving the EU.

While saying that all the people who voted "leave" are racist is wrong, a part of them are. To me, blindly assuming that "immigrants just leech" with no shred of evidence is racist, as an example (no proof == prejudice == racism by definition - as racism is prejudice coming from racial difference).

Edit: where does the benifit money go when it's paid to the immigrants? I'm guessing it's out of the UK it's not just about who leeches more but where it goes.

I'm pretty sure in the UK (like it's in Italy) migrants can only apply if coming from countries in war (and let's not forget that we are at the origin of most of those wars, if not all), or if they're able to find a job and work (and they're often exploited for jobs no one else would do).
And since terrorism was mentioned earlier in the discussion, let's take the data that some user posted. On average it seems 160 people or so get arrested every year for religion-motivated terrorism in the whole of Europe (of which, a large part is in France). More than 1,3 million people sought asylum in Europe in 2015 (with 1,800,000 estimated to have crossed the borders). Only a small part gets accepted. Now, assuming that those 160 people are all muslims, they all get convicted (arrest != conviction) and they're all migrants (which is already false, since a lot of the perpetrators of the Daesh attacks were European citizens) it's 160 against the millions of migrants in Europe.

 

[Doran754]

When people refer to people from Scotland as Scottish but people from England as British, smfh. Anyway @WeedZ all you ever seem to do is play the race card, you don't even live over here, why are you getting involved? Do you see me commenting on the American presidential race? No because I don't give a fuck, you're the elitist leftist snob who can't smell the shit he's shovelling. Last time I checked EU nationals were WHITE, just like the Majority of the UK, so please explain to m how controlling your borders from Europe is racist again .. Don't worry I'll wait. Dumbass.

 

[Deleted-355425]

While saying that all the people who voted "leave" are racist is wrong, a part of them are. To me, blindly assuming that "immigrants just leech" with no shred of evidence is racist, as an example (no proof == prejudice == racism by definition - as racism is prejudice coming from racial difference).

I'm pretty sure in the UK (like it's in Italy) migrants can only apply if coming from countries in war (and let's not forget that we are at the origin of most of those wars, if not all), or if they're able to find a job and work (and they're often exploited for jobs no one else would do).
And since terrorism was mentioned earlier in the discussion, let's take the data that some user posted. On average it seems 160 people or so get arrested every year for religion-motivated terrorism in the whole of Europe (of which, a large part is in France). More than 1,3 million people sought asylum in Europe in 2015 (with 1,800,000 estimated to have crossed the borders). Only a small part gets accepted. Now, assuming that those 160 people are all muslims, they all get convicted (arrest != conviction) and they're all migrants (which is already false, since a lot of the perpetrators of the Daesh attacks were European citizens) it's 160 against the millions of migrants in Europe.

Sorry but I don't agree with any of that, but that's your opinion.

 

[WeedZ]

When people refer to people from Scotland as Scottish but people from England as British, smfh. Anyway @WeedZ all you ever seem to do is play the race card, you don't even live over here, why are you getting involved? Do you see me commenting on the American presidential race? No because I don't give a fuck, you're the elitist leftist snob who can't smell the shit he's shovelling. Last time I checked EU nationals were WHITE, just like the Majority of the UK, so please explain to m how controlling your borders from Europe is racist again .. Don't worry I'll wait. Dumbass.

That's because when people think of the uk they think of england. So they are more specific with scotts, welsh, etc.

I'm not a leftist, in fact I'm not even into politics for the most part. I suppose most of my opinions fall into the left, but I agree with the right on some things too. If I'm anything, I would be a new age hippie, but without the tree hugging kumbaya shit.

So I concern myself with world matters, when it comes to things I think are important. Segregation is an important matter to me. Not just with europe, but with the middle east and here at home.

You say you don't give a shit about American politics, but that's because you have the same segregated views that sparked the brexit in the first place. The truth is, you should be very concerned. My country, as much as I hate it, polices the entire world right now. Our two governments are more closely linked then you think. When our government tells you we need to the raf or the sas, you send them. Brits are putting their lives on the line for a war we started 15 years ago. You could say that terrorism is a global problem, but how much of a problem would it have been for you if it weren't for the US involvment in the middle east in the first place.

I'm digressing, but my point is you should care. Especially since the next president of one of the world's largest super powers will have control over a war front that concerns us all and one of the largest nuclear arsinals.

So I used the word racist. Maybe I should have said prejudice. You guys have this idea that immigration is ruining the uk. This idea actually comes from england. They've been trying to push immigration policies for forever. Leaving the EU is a bad idea, but the only aspect of it that is really prejudice or remotely racists is the remarks made by a group of people in support of it. Not everyone, but some. The idea of making the UK great again by economic and political segregation is no different then what we're doing with Mexico or the germans in the 1930's. Its racist (or more accurately, prejudice if all whites are considered one race) to say that your shitty little island in the garbage dump of the sea is going to be better off with only pureblooded supremacy.

If you want anymore responses from me, your gunna have to piece together a thoughtful argument without all the 4chan-y insults and faggotry.

 

[Deleted-355425]

Deletes posts but leaves one above that calls people faggots. -golf clap