[Poll]American midterm prediction

[Xzi]

I'm sure the results, whatever they are, will be a bombshell. The beginning of the end.

No, you're thinking about when Mueller presents his report on obstruction after the mid-term. All in due time, don't get ahead of yourself.

 

[Taleweaver]

So...I've kept out of the ongoing discussion, as I don't want to meddle. So a few facts:

* never before have there been so many early votes (35 million...as opposed to 21 million during Obama's shift).
* there have been some controvers...sorry: there have been relatively more controversies than usual. Bomb packages, a shooting, the NPC kerfuffle...
* Trump's midterm commercial was deemed racist. Not only by NBC but by all other media outlets (including fox) as well.

As to results: nothing thus far. I guess it's still too early for that.

 

[The Catboy]

I really hope we start seeing some Republicans voted out, that's all I would like to see.

 

[spotanjo3]

No vote for me. Never will. Simple: Political corruption. Disgusting! It is not getting better. Never.

 

[Hanafuda]

* Trump's midterm commercial was deemed racist. Not only by NBC but by all other media outlets (including fox) as well.

I'd like someone to explain what exactly was 'racist' about it. The major media outlets and a bunch of celebrities have declared it, but nobody's explained how. Because it shows 10,000 mostly Hondurans violently breaking through the Mexican border and continuing north with the intention to cross the US border too? That's factual, not racist. Because it shows an illegal alien who committed murders and then laughed and boasted about it in court? That's also factual, not racist.

The ad is anti illegal immigration, certainly. It's also anti Democratic Party, maybe even unfairly so. (the murderer illegal alien Bracamontes re-entered the US multiple times after being deported, under both Repubs and Dems) But how is it racist? Illegal immigration is illegal (duh). There's a lot of it happening. A high percentage of illegal aliens commit crimes that would never occur within our borders if they did not enter. I don't care if the percentage is higher or lower than US citizens, more or less violent, etc. All crime committed by illegal aliens is unnecessary damage to our society that needn't happen if they just didn't enter the country illegally in the first place. The only immigration that should be happening is LEGAL immigration.


Again, what's racist about that ad? You might find it objectionable because it rubs your political hair the wrong way, points a finger 100% at the Democrat Party and ignores Republicans' complicit role in allowing illegal immigration over the years .... but how is it racist?

 

[Taleweaver]

I'd like someone to explain what exactly was 'racist' about it. The major media outlets and a bunch of celebrities have declared it, but nobody's explained how. Because it shows 10,000 mostly Hondurans violently breaking through the Mexican border and continuing north with the intention to cross the US border too? That's factual, not racist. Because it shows an illegal alien who committed murders and then laughed and boasted about it in court? That's also factual, not racist.

The ad is anti illegal immigration, certainly. It's also anti Democratic Party, maybe even unfairly so. (the murderer illegal alien Bracamontes re-entered the US multiple times after being deported, under both Repubs and Dems) But how is it racist? Illegal immigration is illegal (duh). There's a lot of it happening. A high percentage of illegal aliens commit crimes that would never occur within our borders if they did not enter. I don't care if the percentage is higher or lower than US citizens, more or less violent, etc. All crime committed by illegal aliens is unnecessary damage to our society that needn't happen if they just didn't enter the country illegally in the first place. The only immigration that should be happening is LEGAL immigration.


Again, what's racist about that ad? You might find it objectionable because it rubs your political hair the wrong way, points a finger 100% at the Democrat Party and ignores Republicans' complicit role in allowing illegal immigration over the years .... but how is it racist?

What isn't factual is that that Bracamontes piece has anything to do with the refugees.
A mob rioting against a wall fence? One of them saying he's a wanted criminal? All of this makes a context that paints these people (mostly families, from what I've read) as being criminals. Because this is an attack on a group (hondurans... Or arguably immigrants in general), it's a simple case of racism.

 

[Hanafuda]

refugees.

Bullshit. This type of selective, misleading vocabulary is how the 'news' gets slanted. What are they refugees from? How much money does it take to feed and transport and provide for medical for 14,000 people a day? Whose money is it? Mexico offered them asylum, jobs, benefits, school for the kids .... it was all refused. After turning down an offer like that from a nation where their native language is spoken, they would be legal residents, there would be security for their kids, and they wouldn't have to continue travelling ... are they still refugees now? Why are they obstinately insisting on continuing on to force their way into the US??

All of this makes a context that paints these people (mostly families, from what I've read) as being criminals.

How Mexico chooses to deal with them illegally breaking across their border is up to Mexico. But if they enter the US illegally, they are criminals. That's what illegal immigration is ... criminally crossing the border.

Because this is an attack on a group (hondurans... Or arguably immigrants in general), it's a simple case of racism.

They instigated this situation with their organized march. The "attack" is from them, i.e. if they weren't doing this, there'd be nothing to oppose. If someone rounded up and concentrated 10,000 Hondurans together with the specific intent of attacking them on the basis of their race, you'd have a point. But they collected themselves into a population with a declared intent to force entry into the US. Being opposed to an invading force isn't racist just because all of the invaders are of a particular race.

 

[Taleweaver]

@Hanafuda : you asked why it's racist. I'm not responsible for you not liking the answer.

 

[dpad_5678]

I mean, I don't vote for people that are terrified of gay dudes, solar panels, weed, or the Spanish language.

 

[Hanafuda]

@Hanafuda : you asked why it's racist. I'm not responsible for you not liking the answer.

Or seeing where there's any validity in it.

 

[Chary]

Interestingly, I've seen an utter crapton of posters and lawn signs for Beto. Granted, I'm in Houston, which is known to swing Democrat against Texas' overall republican, but I'm curious to wonder if the wild support of Beto is enough to push Cruz out. Not that I like either candidates to begin with, but it's interesting how major support I see for Beto, as opposed to Cruz.

 

[Clydefrosch]

Interestingly, I've seen an utter crapton of posters and lawn signs for Beto. Granted, I'm in Houston, which is known to swing Democrat against Texas' overall republican, but I'm curious to wonder if the wild support of Beto is enough to push Cruz out. Not that I like either candidates to begin with, but it's interesting how major support I see for Beto, as opposed to Cruz.

not with voting machines conveniently switching out beto for cruz in some places...

No vote for me. Never will. Simple: Political corruption. Disgusting! It is not getting better. Never.

that is really no reason not to vote. especially when, in these midterms, there are more candidates than ever before competing on a get rid of lobbyism and corruption in government platform than ever before.

 

[Hanafuda]

Interestingly, I've seen an utter crapton of posters and lawn signs for Beto. Granted, I'm in Houston, which is known to swing Democrat against Texas' overall republican, but I'm curious to wonder if the wild support of Beto is enough to push Cruz out. Not that I like either candidates to begin with, but it's interesting how major support I see for Beto, as opposed to Cruz.

Democrats have spent LARGE on that dude. They think he's a prospect for POTUS, and given their shallow bench currently, he may be their best shot. Whether he pulls out the win today, I don't know. But anyone who commits DUI with a crash into innocent peoples' vehicles and tries to flee the scene doesn't deserve to be dog catcher as far as I'm concerned.

not with voting machines conveniently switching out beto for cruz in some places....

If you have proof of this, not just anecdotal accusations, post it. And report it to authorities.

 

[Xzi]

Interestingly, I've seen an utter crapton of posters and lawn signs for Beto. Granted, I'm in Houston, which is known to swing Democrat against Texas' overall republican, but I'm curious to wonder if the wild support of Beto is enough to push Cruz out. Not that I like either candidates to begin with, but it's interesting how major support I see for Beto, as opposed to Cruz.

I can't believe anyone in Texas ever voted for Cruz to begin with. He's weak, whiny, and always looks wet. Like the exact opposite of the image Texas has tried to cultivate for itself.

For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, this parody site is hilarious:

https://www.tedcruzforhumanpresident.com/

 

[Clydefrosch]

But if they enter the US illegally, they are criminals. That's what illegal immigration is ... criminally crossing the border.
Being opposed to an invading force isn't racist just because all of the invaders are of a particular race.

you might have a point if they were actual invading forces, you know, with tanks and guns and air support.
or if it wasn't entirely legal to chose where you ask for refuge. and if you didn't have to be on us soil to do so legally.
they're only illegal immigrants if they enter the us undetected and go into hiding or after their request for asylum is officially denied.
that is how it is in your laws.

 

[Hanafuda]

you might have a point if they were actual invading forces, you know, with tanks and guns and air support.
or if it wasn't entirely legal to chose where you ask for refuge. and if you didn't have to be on us soil to do so legally.
they're only illegal immigrants if they enter the us undetected and go into hiding or after their request for asylum is officially denied.
that is how it is in your laws.

You didn't explain how they're refugees though, especially since they're already being offered means of living better then they came from. If I can just declare myself a refugee and choose where I may ask for refuge, then please let me know when I can expect my expense-paid trip to Monaco with state-provided residence and benefits when I get there.

I can't believe anyone in Texas ever voted for Cruz to begin with. He's .... always looks wet.

You might want to rephrase that. What's that racist derogatory term for Mexicans/Central Americans?

 

[Clydefrosch]

If you have proof of this, not just anecdotal accusations, post it. And report it to authorities.

what? they literally admitted the machines do this and blamed the users for hitting the voting button too quickly.
it's just a convenient error that apparently didn't come up in any prior election these machines have been used in and it very conveniently helps cruz if people vote 'straight democrat'. in the other case, the field remains empty so people will definitely notice something is wrong.
your entire election system is shoddy and it's intentionally so, with red states not even being shy about admitting that they didn't care to upgrade, secure or otherwise improve their shit.

 

[Hanafuda]

what? they literally admitted the machines do this and blamed the users for hitting the voting button too quickly.
your entire election system is shoddy and it's intentionally so, with red states not even being shy about admitting that they didn't care to upgrade, secure or otherwise improve their shit.

Then you have something to back it up? Post the link.

 

[Chary]

But anyone who commits DUI with a crash into innocent peoples' vehicles and tries to flee the scene doesn't deserve to be dog catcher as far as I'm concerned.

That's my biggest issue against him. I mean, forgive and forget, but DUIs are just...that's one step too far for me. I'm certain Cruz is no hero either, so it's lose-lose. I'm going out to vote in 20 minutes, and I still don't know who I'm going to vote for on that one.

I can't believe anyone in Texas ever voted for Cruz to begin with. He's weak, whiny, and always looks wet. Like the exact opposite of the image Texas has tried to cultivate for itself.

When I was 15, I thought it was cute that he was reading stories while philibustering to his daughters. That's about the only time he's been likeable outside of memes. I think he's gotten along just by being republican all this time.

 

[Xzi]

You might want to rephrase that. What's that racist derogatory term for Mexicans/Central Americans?

Why would I rephrase? I said exactly what I meant, Cruz does always look wet, kind of slimy even. He's also as pale as they come and half-Canadian, so certainly nothing racist intended.