Colorado Republicans likely to hold caucus if Trump stays off primary ballot

[KingVamp]

Pending SCOTUS ruling, which will obviously overturn this decision

Basically making this a moot point

Not saying they wouldn't, but being so sure is a bit much.

 

[Chris2055]

Supreme court overturn of this decision seems likely in a court where 3 justices were appointed by Trump, and 6 were appointed by other Republican presidents.

I hope people realize the implications of this statement.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

I hope people realize the implications of this statement.

That bidens 2024 means he can rule like a king

 

[Chris2055]

That bidens 2024 means he can rule like a king

Well yes, that too. But I was thinking more along the lines of the implications regarding a SCOTUS where the rulings depend on who appointed the justices and their party affiliations.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Well yes, that too. But I was thinking more along the lines of the implications regarding a SCOTUS where the rulings depend on who appointed the justices and their party affiliations.

I'm sorry, I thought it was a given that SCOTUS has become a partisan political entity

 

[x65943]

Unlikely, since the appeal made by trump lawyers does not dispute he was an insurrectionist but only the appicability of §14

And if the 14th amendment isn't applicable then the whole case is moot, so it's actually extremely likely

 

[Dark_Ansem]

And if the 14th amendment isn't applicable then the whole case is moot, so it's actually extremely likely

Fine, then we will see next year.

 

[Taleweaver]

So... Call me stupid, but what does 'hold caucus' mean?

The article describes it as a way to allow people to still vote for the insurrection inciter regardless, but other than that I've got no idea what it's about. So... Halp?

 

[x65943]

So... Call me stupid, but what does 'hold caucus' mean?

The article describes it as a way to allow people to still vote for the insurrection inciter regardless, but other than that I've got no idea what it's about. So... Halp?

It's a meeting of members of the Republican party in the state, reps for different candidates make a case, then party members vote

The one with the most votes gets the state delegates

It has nothing to do with state government and is run by the party, so the government can't tell them who they can and can't vote for

I like a typical primary which is state run and funded

 

[KingVamp]

That bidens 2024 means he can rule like a king

True. It is pretty shortsighted for them, if they rule that the President, even an ex one, can't be touched.

 

[Taleweaver]

It's a meeting of members of the Republican party in the state, reps for different candidates make a case, then party members vote

The one with the most votes gets the state delegates

It has nothing to do with state government and is run by the party, so the government can't tell them who they can and can't vote for

I like a typical primary which is state run and funded

Okay... So how does this action impact the election in the slightest?

I mean... I guess I can start a one person party, hold a caucus, and have my pay members(me) get me the highest votes. As such, i award myself some 'state delegates', hold another caucus for the heck of it and get some more of those because I can.

But surely it's not like this stuff impact my actual chances to win in the actual state to begin with... Right?

 

[tabzer]

It's a meeting of members of the Republican party in the state, reps for different candidates make a case, then party members vote

The one with the most votes gets the state delegates

It has nothing to do with state government and is run by the party, so the government can't tell them who they can and can't vote for

I like a typical primary which is state run and funded

If a party can arbitrarily choose their candidate, what is preventing the state from ignoring the party's submissions for the election?

 

[x65943]

Okay... So how does this action impact the election in the slightest?

I mean... I guess I can start a one person party, hold a caucus, and have my pay members(me) get me the highest votes. As such, i award myself some 'state delegates', hold another caucus for the heck of it and get some more of those because I can.

But surely it's not like this stuff impact my actual chances to win in the actual state to begin with... Right?

Any US election has two parts

>Primary election
>General election

The primary election is the portion that chooses the nominee for a major party (Democrat, Republican)

The truth of it is, the nominee is chosen at the corresponding national convention held in the presidential election year

All primary elections, or caucuses are actually just a suggestion of who to choose as the nominee

Case in point, super delegates in 2016 who all backed Hillary and effectively killed Bernie's campaign. At the end of the day it's the national convention that actually chooses the candidate and they don't have to listen to anybody - they can even pick Vermin Supreme if they want (but usually they swear an oath etc)

Now a primary election is administered by the state, a caucus by a party. But both are a suggestion

The only election that actually matters is the general, and the Republicans can't get around that with a caucus ofc - but they can get around it with a SCOTUS ruling

The caucus idea is basically just a way to continue to include your average Colorado Republican in the nomination process and skirt the Colorado ruling

But in the end all the primary stuff is just inner party workings - the RNC can pick whoever they want regardless

 

[x65943]

If a party can arbitrarily choose their candidate, what is preventing the state from ignoring the party's submissions for the election?

Generally there are state laws in place that allow major parties to automatically appear on ballots - sometimes tied to performance in past elections

The libertarian party in Indiana for instance appears on the ballot every year because they reached the minimum required percentage of votes for secretary of state in the previous election

And the libertarian party can pick whoever they want - any sort of primary elections are at the goodwill of the party - but ultimately they don't have to do any primary

Same for R, D and other smaller parties

If you start a new party and manage to get enough votes you can start nominating whoever you want too. I mean, smaller US parties aren't even in every state

 

[tabzer]

Generally there are state laws in place that allow major parties to automatically appear on ballots - sometimes tied to performance in past elections

The libertarian party in Indiana for instance appears on the ballot every year because they reached the minimum required percentage of votes for secretary of state in the previous election

And the libertarian party can pick whoever they want - any sort of primary elections are at the goodwill of the party - but ultimately they don't have to do any primary

Same for R, D and other smaller parties

If you start a new party and manage to get enough votes you can start nominating whoever you want too. I mean, smaller US parties aren't even in every state

To be clear, it's the state that has the choice, not the fed?

 

[x65943]

To be clear, it's the state that has the choice, not the fed?

Right, the state chooses which parties have ballot access

Typically the laws are pretty restrictive and tend to favor the major two parties and restrict third party ballot access as much as possible

The effort 3rd parties have to go through to get simple ballot access is insane

 

[tabzer]

Right, the state chooses which parties have ballot access

Typically the laws are pretty restrictive and tend to favor the major two parties and restrict third party ballot access as much as possible

The effort 3rd parties have to go through to get simple ballot access is insane

So I question the jurisdiction that the SCOTUS would have in forcing Trump to be on the ballot.

 

[x65943]

So I question the jurisdiction that the SCOTUS would have in forcing Trump to be on the ballot.

They can't force him to be on the ballot, but they can strike down the Colorado opinion that Trump is barred from running for office under the 14th amendment

The supreme Court are the final arbiters of the Constitution