What do you think is more harmful to the world? Racists, or religious fanatics?

[Norris]

Religion is the crappiest thing invented by men to subjugate men.

When you stand before god keep the same attitude?

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[shrekexists]

I see we're going to have to go into bible study now. Let's just list a TINY section if the insanities that are in the bible that regular people don't follow (And are better people for it).

"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him."
-I love my parents, but I'm sure there are people out there with absolutely monstrous parents. They don't deserve to die for saying that they had bad parents.

“And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property."
-You'd think that a god would know that slavery is immoral, right? All-knowing and all that. I've seen many christians twist themselves in painful knots trying to circle that square.

"And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have– from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property."
-See above

"But if the thing is true, and evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done a disgraceful thing in Israel, to play the harlot in her father’s house. So you shall put away the evil from among you."
-Pre-marital sex = death. (Only the women of course). Yeah, that's pretty immoral.

Ignoring specific quotes, the ENTIRE belief that Jesus is there to take on the sins of others is wholly immoral as well. For an easy example, let's say some horrible person comes to your house and kills your family. You want that person to be punished for their deeds. Then some guy comes around and says "I'll go to jail instead of that murderer". That proxy person goes to jail, while the murderer goes free. Is that how things should be handled? Of course not!

Similarly, if someone doesn't know about the bible and is starving. That person steals food to survive. That person is going to hell, based on what the bible says. INFINITE TORTURE for the crime of stealing. Is that reasonable? Should that person suffer for eternity like Hitler? Once again, laughably immoral.



Seriously, I can only laugh at that.

No if they are blameless then they don't go to hell. None of the quotes you provided are valid. There's stuff in there about killing people for being gay nobody in Christian or Jewish nations do. Some of these passages are many thousands of years old from extremely autocratic governments. Consider when the Jews were trying to execute a woman for cheating as they could if they read the bible like you do. Jesus said not to and people don't do that anymore.

 

[Norris]

There's stuff in there about killing people for being gay nobody in Christian or Jewish nations do.

extremely common monotheism W

 

[ZeroT21]

All of them are equally as dangerous and destructive once they reach a position of power. Any of these nutjobs just want be hitler 2.0

 

[Norris]

All of them are equally as dangerous and destructive once they reach a position of power. Any of these nutjobs just want be hitler 2.0

May god guide your poor soul Inshallah

 

[titan_tim]

No if they are blameless then they don't go to hell. None of the quotes you provided are valid. Some of these passages are many thousands of years old from extremely autocratic governments. Consider when the Jews were trying to execute a woman for cheating as they could if they read the bible like you do. Jesus said not to and people don't do that anymore.

LOL, sorry but you don't get to wave a wand and make them invalid. They're all in the bible, and therefore are linked to it as "moral" lessons.

Saying 'It's old, therefore it's invalid' also doesn't work when you're trying to say that there is an all-knowing and omnipotent god. An all knowing god would know if something like slavery is bad, and put it into the sins list. But nope, totally ok. Jesus never said not to have slaves as well. Immoral.

Alright, then let's change the situation. The person is a thief and stole a necklace for monetary gain. Does THAT deserve infinite torture? I would say it does not. Punishment, yes. Infinite punishment is immoral.

There's stuff in there about killing people for being gay nobody in Christian or Jewish nations do.

That's my point! Killing people is immoral. Why would ANYONE follow a book as their moral compass that blatantly promotes killing. It's either "the word of god" and you have to follow it to the letter, or it's not and you get to pick and choose what you believe is right. If you pick and choose, then you don't believe in the book.

 

[Norris]

That's my point! Killing people is immoral. Why would ANYONE follow a book as their moral compass that blatantly promotes killing

Islam does not promote killing without a valid reason. Enforcing Sharia law is the duty of the Ummah and the laws of god.

 

[titan_tim]

Islam does not promote killing without a valid reason. Enforcing Sharia law is the duty of the Ummah and the laws of god.

Uh oh, you didn't capitalize "god". You're going to hell if you don't ask for forgiveness!

 

[Norris]

Uh oh, you didn't capitalize "god". You're going to hell if you don't ask for forgiveness!

Nothing in Islam says anything about english grammar lil bro

 

[titan_tim]

Nothing in Islam says anything about english grammar lil bro

Touché! You're right. Why would people willing to justify murder care about grammar. Valid reasons like.... I dunno, someone leaving the religion. Good luck with the fatwa.

 

[ZeroT21]

Yep, must be nice to blame one's lack of morals because of a mere book. Personally I don't see how the book ''kills'' people by itself, just as how I see guns killing people on their own

 

[titan_tim]

Touché! You're right. Why would people willing to justify murder care about grammar. Valid reasons like.... I dunno, someone leaving the religion. Good luck with the fatwa.

Ah crap, tried to edit and quoted myself instead. That's embarassing.

 

[Norris]

Touché! You're right. Why would people willing to justify murder care about grammar. Good luck with the fatwa.

Death is a justifiable for the right reasons Sharia law shall be enforced.

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Yep, must be nice to blame one's lack of morals because of a mere book. Personally I don't see how the book ''kills'' people by itself, just as how I see guns killing people on their own

Yes it does command the ummah to enforce Sharia law and we will enforce it for the sake of Allah. Do not break sharia law it is the law of God nothing is above it.

 

[titan_tim]

Death is a justifiable for the right reasons Sharia law shall be enforced.

Like someone leaving the religion? Lots of other insane reasons in that infernal book of yours.

Do not break sharia law it is the law of God nothing is above it.

At least you've stopped being an infidel and use capital G *Phyew, that was a close one!!!* Be sure to ask for forgiveness in one of your five times facing mecca.

 

[shrekexists]

LOL, sorry but you don't get to wave a wand and make them invalid. They're all in the bible, and therefore are linked to it as "moral" lessons.

Saying 'It's old, therefore it's invalid' also doesn't work when you're trying to say that there is an all-knowing and omnipotent god. An all knowing god would know if something like slavery is bad, and put it into the sins list. But nope, totally ok. Jesus never said not to have slaves as well. Immoral.

Alright, then let's change the situation. The person is a thief and stole a necklace for monetary gain. Does THAT deserve infinite torture? I would say it does not. Punishment, yes. Infinite punishment is immoral.


That's my point! Killing people is immoral. Why would ANYONE follow a book as their moral compass that blatantly promotes killing. It's either "the word of god" and you have to follow it to the letter, or it's not and you get to pick and choose what you believe is right. If you pick and choose, then you don't believe in the book.

I didn't do it. That thief also can probably not go to hell just by deciding to feel bad for what they done and repenting.

 

[Norris]

The times Capital punishment is allowed in Islam is for Qisas which is if you murder or rape someone else. And Hudud which are crimes against god such as homosexuality, pedophile, leaving Islam and some other things.

This is the law god has given us as things such as homosexuality are a disgrace against Allah along with pedophilia and leaving Islam.

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At least you've stopped being an infidel and use capital G *Phyew, that was a close one!!!* Be sure to ask for forgiveness in one of your five times facing mecca.

When you stand before the face of God you will not think of this as a joke.

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I didn't do it. That thief also can probably not go to hell just by deciding to feel bad for what they done and repenting.

Whenever you sin you have 6 hours to repent before an angel writes it down.

 

[titan_tim]

This is the law god has given us as things such as homosexuality are a disgrace against Allah along with pedophilia and leaving Islam.

So someone saying "I don't want to play with your imaginary friend" = death. That's unhinged.

Whenever you sin you have 6 hours to repent before an angel writes it down.

You forgot that you need to spin around three times (clockwise!!!!!) and tap your head with the dismembered leg of a lamb. Or else it's all meaningless.

That thief also can probably not go to hell just by deciding to feel bad for what they done and repenting.

Right? Because Jesus takes that sin on himself. Is that justice? No, that's immoral as well. We can just keep going down the list of immoralities that the bible promotes.

 

[shrekexists]

So someone saying "I don't want to play with your imaginary friend" = death. That's unhinged.

You forgot that you need to spin around three times (clockwise!!!!!) and tap your head with the dismembered leg of a lamb. Or else it's all meaningless.


Right? Because Jesus takes that sin on himself. Is that justice? No, that's immoral as well. We can just keep going down the list of immoralities that the bible promotes.

God doesn't care about your ideal of morality. Your intelligence is too low to imagine a just heaven where everyone can coexist.

 

[titan_tim]

God doesn't care about your ideal of morality. Your intelligence is too low to imagine a just heaven where everyone can coexist.

Question: Is slavery moral?

If your answer is "No", then you don't care about your own gods ideal of morality.

 

[shrekexists]

Question: Is slavery moral?

If your answer is "No", then you don't care about your own gods ideal of morality.

Slavery is only moral if you chose to be God's slave. I'm a Canadian if you noticed I don't have slaver recent ancestors.