What exactly are women marching for?

[Joe88]

Here was a recent issue with the "pay gap"

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/01/mark-wahlberg-michelle-williams-wage-gap

Now I know who mark wahlberg is, and I think to most people if you mentioned his name would know exactly who he is along with his movie acting he also has his own reality tv show in addition to actor roles in another pretty popular show.
Then we have michelle williams who I had no idea who that even was and it seems the only reason people know who she is, is because she was dating heath ledger.

So we have mark who is a famous household name, and michelle who isnt. Mark got paid 1.5 million and michelle less than one thousand.
Mark got pressured by all the extreme leftist media and ended up donating the 1.5 mil to sexual harassment legal fund.

So is this evidence of the pay gap or is this actual a combination bad agent negotiating and very famous actor name vs a not that famous actor name?

 

[Xzi]

His arguments were well formed for the 30 seconds he was given to answer questions it took him pages to answer in his books.

So. You mean to tell me that if I am being interviewed by a feminist, I have an equally likely chance of getting the job as if being interviewed by a man? In theory, I should, but in practice, I don't.

Your chances of getting that job depend entirely on you. Your job experience, your prowess in the interview, and your persistence. If a feminist has risen to hiring manager it's because she's already shown she's competent to make those decisions.

 

[Deleted User]

Here was a recent issue with the "pay gap"

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/01/mark-wahlberg-michelle-williams-wage-gap

Now I know who mark wahlberg is, and I think to most people if you mentioned his name would know exactly who he is along with his movie acting he also has his own reality tv show in addition to actor roles in another pretty popular show.
Then we have michelle williams who I had no idea who that even was and it seems the only reason people know who she is, is because she was dating heath ledger.

So we have mark who is a famous household name, and michelle who isnt. Mark got paid 1.5 million and michelle less than one thousand.
Mark got pressured by all the extreme leftist media and ended up donating the 1.5 mil to sexual harassment legal fund.

So is this evidence of the pay gap or is this actual a combination bad agent negotiating and very famous actor name vs a not that famous actor name?

* It is hard to prove the wage gap. Sure, you can pull up statistics of how women aren't getting paid as much as men. Let's say their an English teacher. If the woman get's payed minimum wage and the man gets payed $2 above minimum wage, can you prove it is because of the gender? Wage is based off of experience, your level of education, where you got your education, where you have lived, etc. The chances of somebody having the exact same scenario on both sides is next to none.

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Your chances of getting that job depend entirely on you. Your job experience, your prowess in the interview, and your persistence. If a feminist has risen to hiring manager it's because she's already shown she's competent to make those decisions.

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No it doesn't actually. If you wholeheartedly believe that somebodies personal opinions will not be reflected in who gets hired for a job then you really need to spend some time away from the internet and apply for more jobs.

A feminist who believes that more women should have jobs will undoubtedly hire more women than men. The same goes the other way around.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

I look at all political matches first and formost through my own life experiances. From there I look at what the movements message is and what they are doing to meet their goals.

The problem with this movement is that either it doesn't match reality or want laws in place that are blantenly unfair to men. They say they want equality but they don't want the responsibility that comes with it.

This isnt so much about just evil people as much as it is about evil beliefs good people might hold. 70 years ago, the only accepted adult life for lots of women was as a home maker. Because of this, many fathers and mothers alike withheld college tuition from brilliant women and forced them to marry against their desires.

That's still a problem today, it's even done by people that do care for their daughters but are guided by misogynistic ideals we've held for a long time. And that's one of the problems that women's marches help fight.

 

[Xzi]

No it doesn't actually. If you wholeheartedly believe that somebodies personal opinions will not be reflected in who gets hired for a job then you really need to spend some time away from the internet and apply for more jobs.

A feminist who believes that more women should have jobs will undoubtedly hire more women than men. The same goes the other way around.

You realize there are laws against this, right? If you have solid evidence that you were kept out of a job because of gender discrimination, you'd be very likely to win a lawsuit. Which is why, again, a company isn't going to assign someone to hiring manager who judges people by anything other than merit.

 

[CallmeBerto]

This isnt so much about just evil people as much as it is about evil beliefs good people might hold. 70 years ago, the only accepted adult life for lots of women was as a home maker. Because of this, many fathers and mothers alike withheld college tuition from brilliant women and forced them to marry against their desires.

That's still a problem today, it's even done by people that do care for their daughters but are guided by misogynistic ideals we've held for a long time. And that's one of the problems that women's marches help fight.

This isnt so much about just evil people as much as it is about evil beliefs good people might hold. 70 years ago, the only accepted adult life for lots of women was as a home maker. Because of this, many fathers and mothers alike withheld college tuition from brilliant women and forced them to marry against their desires.

That's still a problem today, it's even done by people that do care for their daughters but are guided by misogynistic ideals we've held for a long time. And that's one of the problems that women's marches help fight.

I'd argue they were on to something. Women are more unhappy today then they were a few generations ago.

 

[Chary]

Holy hot potatoes on a trampoline, what even is this thread.

As far as America goes, I really REALLY don't think we need yet another one of their oppression contest marches. We have issues on both sides, man and woman. Instead, people are running in circles, yet again trying to prove the wage gap exists once more.

-those defending Weinstein/Cosby-

The place where actual huge discrepancy between genders shows itself is Hollywood. By technicallity, Weinstein didn't do anything illegal, and it's all hearsay. But that by no means should mean that what he did was even remotely okay. He's a scumbag, plain and simple, and he clearly used his power to leverage towards actresses. At the same time, these women had to have some level of expectation here. If a creepy man calls you up to their hotel room at night to see if you'll be good for the movie, there's something being blatantly implied, that they're accepting by stepping foot in the door.

I'm not saying the women are at fault themselves for going along with it, Weinstein is a piece of garbage for making them feel like they have to do such things for a role. It's just, Hollywood is a cesspool that is skewed against women, most certainly. But let's be real--while this is a huge issue, it doesn't really affect women in their average daily lives.

If men tried to March for equal rights in child custody cases, they'd be laughed at and berated. This march is nothing more than women getting an ego boost and rallying how terrible Trump is. They're free to do so, but it's a bit of a waste of time and resources.

 

[330]

I mean, that is a Youtube video on the internet, but I watched most of it and didn't see anything extreme or inflammatory. Only a guy stammering and flailing around trying to make a coherent argument.

Sure, let's analyze it:

"What is it that you have against women?" first question of the "interview"

*man proceeds to explain the unfairness of divorce*
"As a happily married woman for 11 years I have to disagree" what does that have to do with anything? She tried her best to set a disagreement there.

"Men are a minority in university"
"What universities?"
"Most universities"
"But they get more paid then women" once again, attempting to be right by changing subject, even though the wage gap is a myth

"More men are incarcerated, more men die at war, more men kill themselves. What's the problem with men?"
*crowd laughter* this is just disgusting

*man explains how society treats men as disposable while still specifies it isn't women's fault*
"*mocking voice* do you have a girlfriend?" this too

"Is it that you're feeling that your place at the top of the tree is being challenged [by women]?"
*man explains, once again, that he isn't anti-women and that he never was on top of any tree. He makes a great example about men's health*
"...can't we just get along?" no arguments here, so let's have some humor.


I'm not going to quote the ending because it was the worst part of the video. Have we really seen the same one?

 

[gameboy]

^finally a woman that gets it...

 

[mikefor20]

...ok?

Also you should probably link to some sources for the stuff you wrote.


Ah, I see why you have so much repressed anger now.

I mean, it took me a lot of time to understand your post. My 98-inch TV kept distracting me. I have 4 of these.


Anyway, one night stands and sex becomes boring after a while. You just want to find someone to settle down but you're afraid of these women that are never honest when it comes to rich people. Sometimes I'd rather switch my life with someone else to finally find someone that actually loves me instead of my stuff.

Well, not with you. It almost seems like you're pushing your repressed anger to compensate for something.


By the way, I donate to charities in one month more than you could ever donate in your lifetime. So quit whining.

Bravo. You prove you are to blame. You are the problem. No doubt. Donate to charity LOL then you write it off. I am not angry in general. The real problem with the rich is that they are only "People" in the technical sense. Most of us know that. The only way you'll find someone who likes you and not your money is if you grow a soul. Or find a whore without one. You are the worst kind of person. Ask yourself, If I was broke, would I like myself? LOL No you woulden't. I bet you know all this and don;t like yourself either. I bet you talk up your net-worth whenever you meet someone. Kinda like in this thread. Any woman who wants you and not your cash will be a soulless monster. Just like you. You are devoid of humanity. Total turd. My anger is not repressed. It is free flowing and directed at "people" like you. Go back to your caviar and your Mercedes and let genuine people be. You self absorbed greedy troll.

People like this are the cause of most of the problems in the world today. The 1% have over 60% of the worlds wealth. What you fail to realize is the time will come when the masses say fuck it just squish you guys like the cockroaches you really are. You are nothing without your pawns. Better treat them right. No wonder you can't find a woman. You deserve all the worst things in life. And a lot more than 1% of real people agree with me.

 

[Xzi]

If men tried to March for equal rights in child custody cases, they'd be laughed at and berated. This march is nothing more than women getting an ego boost and rallying how terrible Trump is. They're free to do so, but it's a bit of a waste of time and resources.

I disagree, the right to protest is an important one, and not one that every country has. There are also plenty of issues men can march for without being ridiculed.

 

[ThisIsDaAccount]

I'd argue they were on to something. Women are more unhappy today then they were a few generations ago.

Women should be free to choose what they want, if they want to be caretakers then great. But if they want to have careers, they're adults, they can make that choice for themselves.

Having no choice doesn't make anyone happier.

 

[CallmeBerto]

Women should be free to choose what they want, if they want to be caretakers then great. But if they want to have careers, they're adults, they can make that choice for themselves.

Having no choice doesn't make anyone happier.

Sorry that was me being a bit of a dick sorry. Yeah people should be able to do whatever makes them happy as long as it doesn't hurt anyone AND if they are willing to take full responsibility for their actions.

 

[330]

Bravo. You prove you are to blame. You are the problem. No doubt. Donate to charity LOL then you write it off. I am not angry in general. The real problem with the rich is that they are only "People" in the technical sense. Most of us know that. The only way you'll find someone who likes you and not your money is if you grow a soul. Or find a whore without one. You are the worst kind of person. Ask yourself, If I was broke, would I like myself? LOL No you woulden't. I bet you know all this and don;t like yourself either. I bet you talk up your net-worth whenever you meet someone. Kinda like in this thread. Any woman who wants you and not your cash will be a soulless monster. Just like you. You are devoid of humanity. Total turd. My anger is not repressed. It is free flowing and directed at "people" like you. Go back to your caviar and your Mercedes and let genuine people be. You self absorbed greedy troll.

People like this are the cause of most of the problems in the world today. The 1% have over 60% of the worlds wealth. What you fail to realize is the time will come when the masses say fuck it just squish you guys like the cockroaches you really are. You are nothing without your pawns. Better treat them right. No wonder you can't find a woman. You deserve all the worst things in life. And a lot more than 1% of real people agree with me.

^finally a woman that gets it...

Thanks but I'm a dude.

You realize there are laws against this, right? If you have solid evidence that you were kept out of a job because of gender discrimination, you'd be very likely to win a lawsuit. Which is why, again, a company isn't going to assign someone to hiring manager who judges people by anything other than merit.

A judge can have a different opinion than you regarding "solid" evidence.

Also, people like @mikefor20 don't have the money to spend on lawsuits they aren't 100% sure they can win.

 

[Xzi]

"What is it that you have against women?" first question of the "interview"

Again I'm questioning if this is even a real interview or more an entertainment show.

*man proceeds to explain the unfairness of divorce*

He didn't explain it well obviously, you'd have to make a completely separate argument as to why divorce is unfair. What about prenuptial agreements? Could those not be unfair for the woman?

"Men are a minority in university"
"What universities?"
"Most universities"

Specifics here would've done wonders, and I'm not sure what this has to do with men's rights. It's either a gender gap at birth, which we can't really do anything about, or more men are choosing to stop their education after high school, which we can't do anything about.

"But they get more paid then women" once again, attempting to be right by changing subject, even though the wage gap is a myth

The wage gap is not a myth when you average it all out. This might be due to a few large employers and a few job positions in specific, but in that case a wage equality law fixes it all the same.

"More men are incarcerated, more men die at war, more men kill themselves. What's the problem with men?"
*crowd laughter* this is just disgusting

Disgusting if you're easily offended I guess, but IMO it was just a poor attempt at humor.

*man explains how society treats men as disposable while still specifies it isn't women's fault*

We're all disposable in a capitalist society, and we all die. Not a great argument.


I'm not making excuses for the interviewers, but rarely do you see an interviewee who flubs things so badly, either. It was a shitshow all-around.

A judge can have a different opinion than you regarding "solid" evidence.

Also, people like @mikefor20 don't have the money to spend on lawsuits they aren't 100% sure they can win.

Sure they can, but that doesn't change the fact that the law protects against discrimination in all forms when it comes to hiring. By his logic, all our companies would be either 90% male employees or 90% female employees. That would be obvious evidence of discrimination, though, which is why it doesn't happen.

 

[Clydefrosch]

how about we all come up with more reasons to assume that millions of women did this thing without any real reason and that, honestly, us guys have it much harder anyways.

 

[CallmeBerto]

how about we all come up with more reasons to assume that millions of women did this thing without any real reason?

We don't need to assume. We can look at their mission statement and laugh at them.

 

[Xzi]

how about we all come up with more reasons to assume that millions of women did this thing without any real reason and that, honestly, us guys have it much harder anyways.

It's mostly the Trump thing that galvanizes people IMO. Even the whole #MeToo movement seems to have come about as a result of an accused assaulter/rapist getting elected president. If there's one positive thing to come from that, it's the massive backlash that we're seeing build momentum now. Not just from women, but they have good reason to be a big part of it.

 

[mikefor20]

Thanks but I'm a dude.

A judge can have a different opinion than you regarding "solid" evidence.

Also, people like @mikefor20 don't have the money to spend on lawsuits they aren't 100% sure they can win.

No woman will ever genuinely like you because you are a horrible person. Judging from some of your posts you don't really like women anyway. Seem kinda hateful to them. Maybe you are repressing something. Perhaps your sexuality? Nothing to do with money. Turds attract turds. People like you are the reason white guys get a bad rap. You should go away. Nobody really likes you. You wont be missed. You will get what you truly deserve. You either stole or inherited that money anyway. What a joke.

 

[330]

No woman will ever genuinely like you because you are a horrible person. Judging from some of your posts you don't really like women anyway. Seem kinda hateful to them. Maybe you are repressing something. Perhaps your sexuality? Nothing to do with money. Turds attract turds. People like you are the reason white guys get a bad rap. You should go away. Nobody really likes you. You wont be missed. You will get what you truly deserve. You either stole or inherited that money anyway. What a joke.

So much repressed anger. Let it all out buddy. Your tears are delicious


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